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1 Oct 2012 13:47 |
Hello there,
I am hoping someone may be able to help me locate my 4x great grandfather’s birth please. His name is James Turner and according to the various census I have looked at, he was born in 1835 in St George Hanover Square, Middlesex. I appreciate he was born before 1837, so I will be unable to get a birth certificate. I have located him on the 1841, 1861, 1871, 1881 and 1891 census.
I do however have his marriage certificate to Caroline Maskell. His occupation is listed as Cheesemonger and his father is listed as William Turner, who I have located on the 1841, 1851, 1861 and 1871 census (occupation Basket Maker). I am also trying to determine William’s first wife (James’ mother) who appears on the 1841 and 1851 census with him. Her name is Mary and her DOB varies from 1794-1796. She was born in Spitalfields, Middlesex.
Again, William’s DOB varies on the census, but I think perhaps this may be him – William Turner, 1792, Yarmouth, Norfolk (making his parents according to Familysearch Richard Turner and Elizabeth Rede). I have also found some siblings with the same parents.
How do I confirmation this information if I am unable to get certificates before 1837 please?
Thank you in advance for your assistance. Danni
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1 Oct 2012 13:53 |
1881 3 Seymour St, Depford James Turner 46 - Cheese Monger's shopman Caroline Turner 44 James Turner 20 Elizabeth Turner 13 Annie M. Turner 11 Henry J. Turner 9 Robt. Chas. Turner 6
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1 Oct 2012 14:24 |
For our reference, is this who you think is your James ?
1841 - St George Hanover Square. Middlesex
William Turner 45 - Basket maker - Not born in County William Turner 15 Mary Turner 45 Mary A Turner 10 John Turner 13 Charles Turner 8 James Turner 6 - Born Middlesex <<<<<<<<<<
Remember William's and Mary's ages will have been rounded down in 1841 so they could be up to 4 years older than stated
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1 Oct 2012 14:33 |
Frrom a tree on Anst*
William Turner Birth: 5/9/1792 (5 Sep 1792) - Norfolk Marriage: 10/4/1824 (10 Apr 1824) Death: 10/1/1867 (10 Jan 1867) Parents: Richard Turner, Elizabeth Rede Spouse: Mary Ann Mansfield
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Maddie
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1 Oct 2012 14:34 |
the family 1851 w/o James TURNER, William Head Married M 64 1787 Basket Maker Yarmouth, Norfolk VIEW TURNER, Mary Wife Married F 57 1794 Basket Maker Spitalfields, Middlesex VIEW TURNER, Mary A Daughter Unmarried F 20 1831 St Georges, Middlesex VIEW TURNER, Charles Son Unmarried M 18 1833 Gorter St Georges, Middlesex VIEW
Piece: 1475
Folio: 231
Page: 16
Registration District: Saint George Hanover Square
Civil Parish: Saint George Hanover Square
Municipal Borough: Westminster
Address: 5, Queen Street, Saint George Hanover Square, Westminster
County: Middlesex redefine current search back to 1851 census search resultsBack to all search results
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1 Oct 2012 14:40 |
Parish Records Collection marriage
Year:1824
Supplied Surname:MANSFIELD
Surname:MANSFIELD
Full First name:Mary
Supplied First Name:Mary
Spouse Surname:TURNER
Spouse Full First name:William
Spouse First Name:Wm
Place:WESTMINSTER (ST GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE)
County:London
Record source:Boyd's Marriage Index 1538-1840
Data provider:Society of Genealogists
Transcriptions © Society of Genealogists
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1 Oct 2012 14:43 |
Hi - yes, I believe the James Turner you point out in the 1841 census is indeed correct.
I am yet to locate James on the 1851 census, as you point out he is not with his family.
Thanks!
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1 Oct 2012 14:49 |
COULD THIS BE HIM FARRANCE, William Head M 28 1823 Boot Maker Saint George, Middlesex VIEW , Ann Wife F 28 1823 VIEW TURNER, James Lodger Unmarried M 18 1833 Boot Maker London, Middlesex VIEW RENTON, John Lodger Unmarried M 17 1834 Painter Chelsea, Middlesex VIEW EVANS, William Lodger Unmarried M 27 1824 Servant Haverfordwest, Pembrokeshire VIEW
Piece: 1477
Folio: 244
Page: 29
Registration District: Saint George Hanover Square
Civil Parish: Saint George
Municipal Borough: Westminster
Address: 7, Pasmore Street, Saint George, Westminster
County: Middlesex
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1 Oct 2012 14:58 |
What about this one ? Could this be your James who married Caroline ? No christian names for couple
1851
--- Turner 57 - Basket maker - Middlesex --- Turner 55 - Basket maker - Essex Elizabet Turner 24 Thomas Turner 21 John Turner 19 James Turner 17 --- Webb 18 - lodger
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1 Oct 2012 15:03 |
James' father William Turner was indeed a basket maker. However I have located William Turner in 1851 though living at 5 Queen Street, St George Hanover Square.
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1 Oct 2012 16:08 |
Maddie - yes I guess that could be him in 1851. Thanks!
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1 Oct 2012 16:10 |
I have not been able to locate a birth for him (James Turner) even though I know he was born in St George Hanover Square and his father was William Turner and we have him confirmed on at least the 1841, 1861, 1871, 1881 and 1891 census.
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1 Oct 2012 21:16 |
Using: https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_STATES
name: William Turner gender: Male baptism/christening date: 09 Sep 1792 baptism/christening place: St. Nicholas, Yarmouth, Norfolk, England birth date: 05 Sep 1792 birthplace: St. Nicholas, Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England father's name: Richard Turner mother's name: Elizabeth Reve indexing project (batch) number: C02178-0 system origin: England-EASy source film number: 1526328 reference number: item 7 Citing this Record "England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N1MF-F2N : accessed 01 Oct 2012), William Turner, 05 Sep 1792; citing reference item 7, FHL microfilm 1526328. [I read the surname as Rede at: England, Norfolk Parish Registers, 1538-1900 > Yarmouth St Nicholas > Baptisms > 1792-1794 > Image 15 of 55]
But why not this one: name: William Chingles Turner gender: Male baptism/christening date: 16 May 1793 baptism/christening place: Yarmouth, Norfolk, England father's name: mother's name: Anne indexing project (batch) number: I04609-3 system origin: England-EASy source film number: 1545226 reference number: Item 11 Citing this Record "England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NFCW-14L : accessed 01 Oct 2012), William Chingles Turner, 16 May 1793; citing reference Item 11, FHL microfilm 1545226. [Image says BB(=base born, i.e., illegitimate) of Anne at: England, Norfolk Parish Registers, 1538-1900 > Yarmouth St Nicholas > Baptisms > 1792-1794 > Image 29 of 55]
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1 Oct 2012 21:47 |
Thanks for the info. In all the census returns I have located William Turner he doesn't use a middle name (also no middle name listed on James Turner's marriage certificate for his father, just William Turner).
Of course I may be wrong. As I mentioned in my original posting, how to confirm this information if they were born before 1837 and I therefore cannot obtain a birth certificate for James (or his siblings).
Appreciate the time those have spent helping me with this and the look ups they have done - thank you :-)
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