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in the 1911 census William John Cotter is with his father in Northumberland. Stating hes single!

Yes That is all correct. Ruth died in 1917 Eva was two. William John Cotter remarried Annie Axworthy . Bernard died very young. Dont know what happened to Albert.

Did Eva tell you about her childhood? This is the only Ruth Cotter I can see in 1911 - but no sign of husband:

Ruth Cotter
Age in 1911: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Exeter
Civil parish: Plymouth
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street Address: 1 Summerland Street, Plymouth
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: House Wife
Registration district: Plymouth
Registration District Number: 276
Sub-registration district: Plymouth South West
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 363
Piece: 12984
Household Members: Name Age
Ruth Cotter 25
Albert Cotter 4
John Cotter 1

John's birth was registered under Cotter, but there is no birth for Albert. However on the census she states married 3 years, and there are 2 Albert LLoyds reg Plymouth around the right time.

Added: in 1901 there were 2 John Cotters on the census - one is on 1911 with wife Ellen, the other is missing. He was onboard a ship in 1901, so this may explain his absence.

It's sad if this is correct, Bernard was born in Sept quarter, mmn LLoyd

Deaths Dec 1917 (>99%)
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Cotter Bernard 0 Plymouth 5b 293
Cotter Ruth 31 Plymouth 5b 323

Patchem, I wondered about that census, but Mary J died in 1900 according to a tree on A* - looked and the death is reg E Stonehouse.

This Eva?
Births Jun 1915
Cotter Eva M R Lloyd Plymouth 5b 395

Marriages Mar 1909
COTTER John Plymouth 5b 474
LLOYD Ruth Plymouth 5b 474

A few birth and marriage certificates are always useful, and interesting.

Eva Cotter whose mother was Ruth Lloyd was my oldest living relative. She died last week aged 97. Samuel Lloyd was her brother. I have a photo of him and Florence. That is all I have.

Think this might be Florence Mary as Mary, but could be totally unrelated:
1891 England Census
William McKnight Age: 38 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary J McKnight
Gender: Male Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: East Stonehouse Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Plymouth County/Island: Devon Country: England
Registration district: East Stonehouse Sub-registration district: East Stonehouse
ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Piece: 1738 Folio: 11 Page Number: 16
William McKnight 38
Mary J McKnight 36
Frederick W S McKnight 13
Mary J S McKnight 9
Caroline E McKnight 5/12
Francis Sobey 29
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1738; Folio: 11; Page: 16; GSU roll: 6096848.

Added:
This is probably wrong, see later post by Flip.
So certificates required.

Which of the family is your ancestor - ie who have you worked back from?

Sadly no! Dont know if they had children. If she is the above she would have been 42 when they married! Dont think ill get any further without the marriage certificate.

Have you got any birth information for Samuel and Florence's children?

Could be!

The McKnight looks promising Patchem!

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Births Sep 1879
Baker Florence Mary J Plymouth 5b 253
Births Mar 1880
Holberton Florence Mary J Plymouth 5b 247
Births Sep 1881
Hockaday Florence Mary J Plymouth
Births Jun 1882
McKnight Florence Mary J E. Stonehouse 5b 313

McKnight becoming Knight?

Gosh. That looks as if it might be her. Brilliant! Many thanks!!!

Is this Florence's death - is so, she may have been a widow when she married Samuel:

Florence M J Lloyd
Birth Date: abt 1881
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1947
Age at Death: 66
Registration district: Plympton
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 7a
Page: 670

Your right! I dont know he was the oldest child. Mary had 12 children according to the 1911 census. Only ten names accounted for!

Because of the different birth places and the common names I think you definitely need the birth certificate of one of the children to work out the parents' marriage details.

If you cannot find the marriage, how do you know that William was the oldest child?

In 1881 he was a pedlar. Thnk this may be them in 1901:

Mary Ann Lloyd
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Ledbury, Herefordshire, England

Civil parish: Plymouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Evangelist
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Plymouth
Sub-registration district: St Andrew
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 57
Piece: 2101
Folio: 8
Page Number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Ann Lloyd 47
John Lloyd 17
Ruth Lloyd 16
Samuel Lloyd 12

Yes That must be them. Thanks. What was the fathers occupation?