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Can any one help with this querie.
Isabella Mouait Thomson b.c.1831 Scotland. She married a well to do gentleman called Joseph William Robinson b. 23 January 1827 Finsbury, Middlesex, England.
They married on the 2 December 1861 Knox Church, Dunedin, New Zealand.
Joseph died in 1884 Wanganui, NZ. He started the Volunteer Fire Brigade in Wanganui and was well known. (actually married 3 times)
Now Isabella was buried 13 November 1863 Southern Cemetery, Dunedin, New Zealand. In the same grave are 2 other females.
Catherine Thomson buried 1866, 17 years old.
Jessie Duncan buried 1909, 48 years.
Catherine's death notice say's she was the fifth daughter of Mrs James Thomson late of Linglithgowshire, 'Scotland.
What I have been trying to do is find out if it's possible that Catherine and Isabella are connected, sister's ?? Then who is the Jessie Duncan she died on the 26 Jan 1909 Melbourne, Australia. Could Jessie be a daughter of Isabella's, the age is about right, can't find any doc's proving anything.
Is there anyone who could possibly help.

Craig

What was the name of Isabella's Father from the marriage certificate?
Thanks

Just a vague possibility:

Piece: SCT1841/673 Place: Whitburn -West Lothian Enumeration District: 5
Civil Parish: Whitburn Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 0 Page: 8
Address: Langrigg

THOMSON James M 40 Mason West Lothian
THOMSON Grace F 30 Outside Census County (1841)
THOMSON Isabell F 11 West Lothian
THOMSON Thomas M 9 West Lothian
THOMSON Margaret F 7 West Lothian
THOMSON Robert M 5 West Lothian
THOMSON Bethia F 3 West Lothian
THOMSON Grace F 1 West Lothian
MARSHALL Peter M 20 Shoemaker Appren West Lothian

Maybe not so vague Beverley?

1851

Name: Cathrine Thomson
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relationship: Son
Mother's name: Grace Thomson
Where born: Whitburn, Linlithgow
Parish Number: 673
Civil parish: Whitburn
Town: Longridge
County: West Lothian
Address: Longridge
ED: 5
Page: 2 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 10
Line: 9
Roll: CSSCT1851_174
Household Members: Name Age
Grace Thomson 43
Thomas Thomson 18
Betsy Thomson 13
Grace Thomson 11
James Thomson 9
William Thomson 1
Alexander Thomson 5
George M Thomson 3
Cathrine Thomson 1

groom's name: James Thomson
bride's name: Grace Wallace
marriage date: 24 Jan 1829
marriage place: Whitburn,West Lothian,Scotland
indexing project (batch) number: M11673-4
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 102998, 1066639, 1066640


From the 1851 census

Name: Grace Thomson
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1808
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Carstairs, Lanark
Parish Number: 673
Civil parish: Whitburn
Town: Longridge
County: West Lothian
Address: Longridge


Scottish naming pattern, the first female child of a marriage is given the maternal grandmother's name often including her maiden surname.

Grace was a common diminutative form of Grizell / Grizella / Grizelda etc.

parents: Robert Wallace,? Isabel Mowat

name: Grizal Wallace
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 03 May 1807
baptism/christening place: , CARSTAIRS, LANARK, SCOTLAND
father's name: Robert Wallace
mother's name: Isabel Mowat
indexing project (batch) number: C11633-2
system origin: Scotland-VR
source film number: 1042971

I think that with accents Mowat probably became Mouait?

parents: Robert Wallace,? Isbel Mowat

name: Jane Wallace
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 16 May 1813
baptism/christening place: , CARSTAIRS, LANARK, SCOTLAND
father's name: Robert Wallace
mother's name: Isbel Mowat
indexing project (batch) number: C11633-2
system origin: Scotland-VR
source film number: 1042971


name: Robert Wallace
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 29 Jul 1810
baptism/christening place: , CARSTAIRS, LANARK, SCOTLAND
father's name: Robert Wallace
mother's name: Isbel Mowat
indexing project (batch) number: C11633-2
system origin: Scotland-VR
source film number: 1042971


name: Mary Wallace
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 20 May 1804
baptism/christening place: , CARSTAIRS, LANARK, SCOTLAND
father's name: Robert Wallace
mother's name: Isobel Mowat
indexing project (batch) number: C11633-2
system origin: Scotland-VR
source film number: 1042971


name: Isabell Wallace
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 31 Jan 1802
baptism/christening place: , CARSTAIRS, LANARK, SCOTLAND
father's name: Robert Wallace
mother's name: Isobel Mowet
indexing project (batch) number: C11633-2
system origin: Scotland-VR
source film number: 1042971

Again following the Scottish naming pattern ( and allowing for ages being rounded down in 1841 census, one of these may be James?

name: James Thompson
gender: Male
baptism/christening place: , WHITBURN, WEST LOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
birth date: 18 Apr 1795
birthplace: , Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland
father's name: James Thompson
mother's name: Margaret Walker
indexing project (batch) number: C11673-2
system origin: Scotland-VR
source film number: 1066639


name: James Thompson
gender: Male
baptism/christening place: , WHITBURN, WEST LOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
birth date: 01 Mar 1797
birthplace: , Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland
father's name: Thomas Thompson
mother's name: Margaret Calder
indexing project (batch) number: C11673-2
system origin: Scotland-VR
source film number: 1066639


My money is on the second one.



name: John Thompson
gender: Male
baptism/christening place: , WHITBURN, WEST LOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
birth date: 22 Aug 1799
birthplace: , Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland
father's name: Thomas Thompson
mother's name: Margaret Calder
indexing project (batch) number: C11673-2
system origin: Scotland-VR
source film number: 1066639


name: Thomas Thompson
gender: Male
baptism/christening place: , WHITBURN, WEST LOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
birth date: 17 Mar 1790
birthplace: , Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland
father's name: Thomas Thompson
mother's name: Margaret Calder
indexing project (batch) number: C11673-2
system origin: Scotland-VR
source film number: 1066639

name: Katharine Thompson
gender: Female
baptism/christening place: , WHITBURN, WEST LOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
birth date: 26 Sep 1794
birthplace: , Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland
father's name: Thomas Thompson
mother's name: Margaret Calder
indexing project (batch) number: C11673-2
system origin: Scotland-VR
source film number: 1066639


name: Elizabeth Thompson
gender: Female
baptism/christening place: , WHITBURN, WEST LOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
birth date: 29 May 1792
birthplace: , Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland
father's name: Thomas Thompson
mother's name: Margaret Calder
indexing project (batch) number: C11673-2
system origin: Scotland-VR
source film number: 1066639

1861

Name: Grace Thomson
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Carstairs, Lanark
Registration number: 673
Registration district: Whitburn
Civil parish: Whitburn
County: West Lothian
Address: Village Of Longridge
Occupation: Proprietor Of Houses
ED: 7
Household schedule number: 83
Line: 16
Roll: CSSCT1861_121
Household Members: Name Age
Grace Thomson 52
Cathrine Thomson 11
Mary Thomson 10



As Grace died after statutory registration began in Scotland, her death registration (available from Scotlandspeople) will confirm the names of her parents if the informant knew the details.

This might prove relevant?

Name: Isobel Wallace
Age: 76
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1765
Gender: Female
Where born: Lanarkshire, Scotland

Civil parish: Carstairs
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Village Of Carstairs
Occupation: Spinner
Parish Number: 633
Household Members: Name Age
Isobel Wallace 76
Janet Wallace 62

And these?

1851

Name: Robert Wallace
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1810
Relationship: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret Wallace
Gender: Male
Where born: Carstairs, Lanark
Parish Number: 282
Civil parish: Dundee
County: Angus
Address: Pitcairns Court
Occupation: Fereman
ED: 21
Page: 28 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 112
Line: 8
Roll: CSSCT1851_60
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Wallace 41
Margaret Wallace 31
Marjory Wallace 7
John Wallace 3
Thomas Mclaren 28

1861

Name: Robert Wallace
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1810
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Margret Wallace
Gender: Male
Where born: Carstairs, Lanarkshire
Registration number: 282/2
Registration district: Dundee Second District
Civil parish: Dundee
County: Angus
Address: Lochee Road No 28
Occupation: Fireman
ED: 22
Household schedule number: 88
Line: 15
Roll: CSSCT1861_41
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Wallace 51
Margret Wallace 41
Margory Wallace 17
John Wallace 13
Isabella Wallace 9
Margret Wallace 6
Amelia Wallace 4
James Wallace 2

Thanks a lot for all that it all look's good. The burial record said Catherine was a female.Yes, the spelling of Mouait would of been written differently in each location.
This has given me a lot to check on in future.
Thanks a heap

Craig

If you can get Jessie Duncan's death certificate for some more information about her, we may be able to track her down too.

I will get back to you, shift worker so out of action for a few days.

Craig

No problem Craig. Don't work too hard.

Hi All
Just found the last name to Joseph's 3rd wife it was Julia Ann Anson b.1844 Hobart, Tasmania, Australia. You wouldn't believe it but a chap I work with found her family for me.

Craig

This is a reply to (rootgather)
All the data you sent me about Isabella Mouait Thomson has been very accurate.
I am awaiting a reply from a woman here in NZ who has a family tree on Ancestry and it is the family I have been hunting.
It turns out that Isabella's grandmother was a Mowat.
Catherine is a sister to Isabella and as I said is buried in the same grave.
The Jessie Duncan I'm still hunting for, my brother in Auzi is checking the Melbourne Papers for me where she died in 1909.
I believe she is a daughter to Isabella and Joesph and not recorded.
I await to see what my brother comes up with in Auzi.
Once again thanks a heap.

Craig

Good to hear from you again Craig. So glad we track the right family.

Some info. about Jessie.

Name: Jessie Duncan
Death Place: Carlton, Victoria
Age: 47
Father's Name: Mills Jas
Mother's Name: Jane
Registration Year: 1909
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 777
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862

Well the fathers last name may throw a spanner in the works but I will await my brothers reply and see what happens.
Question is still why is she in the same grave as Isabella and Catherine, must be related for that to happen.

Craig

Jessie could be a Cousin or even a niece of William Robinson.

Hi rootgather
Jessie Mills (m) James Wilson Duncan in NZ.
Sent email to a chap just now who has data on a John Mills & Jane Calder.
Seen data on NZ arrivals, family 1st settlers in Green Island Dunedin, NZ.
Your data on Jessie's death, father, Mills Jas & Jane helped.
Could be John Mills & Jane Calder.
Awaiting a reply to see if there was a child called Jessie.
I'll get to the bottom of this if it kills me.

Craig