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Jayne
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31 Oct 2012 22:14 |
Hi again! I have researched quite a lot of the Stevens family and have - I think - found my Stevens family!! Fingers crossed! I have found Jacob Stevens b. c1811 Wisbech St Mary, Wisbech, his wife Ruth b. c1811, unknown and Isaac Stevens c1831 Terrington St Clement, Jacob 1833c, Phoebe c1835, George c1837 and John c1839 and living at Governor's Marsh, Terrington St Clement. I have found the baptism for Isaac (05/09/1830 son of Jacob and Ruth, Wisbech St Mary). At the 1811 census, the family were living at Governor's Marsh, Terrington St Clement . His son, William Stevens c1841 Terrington St Clement was married to Phoebe Neve b. c1833 Hethersett Norfolk. I have tried to glean information via GR tonight, but haven't been able to find any information about this family at all and am hoping that you might be able to help please? Many thanks Jayne - with fingers tightly crossed!
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Jayne
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31 Oct 2012 22:14 |
Ooops! not GR, but FMP!
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patchem
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31 Oct 2012 22:19 |
You have put '1811' census - which do you mean? How did you get back to this family - who are your direct ancestors? Thanks
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Jayne
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31 Oct 2012 22:26 |
Sorry about that - I should have said 1841 census - They were living at Governor's Marsh Terrington St Clements with 5 x children. The further info I have found is a William Stevens who married Phoebe Neve as above and I am hoping that he is the right one. With apologies, but I've exhausted all if the other Stevens families and am hopeful that Terrington is the right one. Many thanks Jayne
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Penny
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31 Oct 2012 22:26 |
1841 for ref Name: Jacob Stevens Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811 Gender: Male Civil parish: St Clement Terrington Hundred: Freebridge Marsh Land County/Island: Norfolk Country: England
Registration district: Wisbech Sub-registration district: Terrington St Clement Neighbors: Piece: 770 Book: 4 Folio: 8 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age Jacob Stevens 30 Ruth Stevens 30 Isaac Stevens 10 Jacob Stevens 8 Tholer Stevens 6 George Stevens 4 John Stevens 2
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Jayne
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31 Oct 2012 22:28 |
Hi again - I think that "Tholer" Stevens is actually Phoebe!
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Penny
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31 Oct 2012 22:28 |
1851 - gives a birthplace for Ruth
Name: Ruth Stephan Age: 42 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Jacob Stephan Gender: F (Female) Where born: Gyhern, Cambridgeshire, England [Guyhirn, Cambridgeshire, England] Civil parish: Terrington St Clement County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View image Registration district: Wisbeach Sub-registration district: Terrington St Clement ED, institution, or vessel: 1a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 24 Piece: 1767 Folio: 9 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age Jacob Stephan 43 Ruth Stephan 42 George Stephan 44 John Stephan 2 Ruth Stephan 9 Benjamin Stephan 2
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Jayne
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31 Oct 2012 22:30 |
Hi Penny, Thanks for the info - I knew the name Ruth, but not the Stephan - cheers for that! Jayne
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Penny
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31 Oct 2012 22:33 |
I think Stephan is a mistranscription of Stevens
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Jayne
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31 Oct 2012 22:36 |
Hi again Penny, I am also looking for a connection to William Stevens b. c1841 Terrington St Clement as I have fallen foul of folks who say that theirs is the right one, and I will have to delete this branch of my family and start again, and so it would be really helpful if William could fit in? Thanks Jayne
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Jayne
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31 Oct 2012 22:50 |
Hi Patchem, That's the problem - I had a tree for a long while, thinking that I was ok with my research and - following yet more advice from folks who are Stevenses, I have fallen flat on my tree and will have to cancel everyone in my tree and start again. The good thing is that I have been researching my family and have certificates to confirm - it's just the William Stevens I have to find - In Terrington - as I need to find William's parents to be sure it is correct . Any help you might be able to find would be really appreciated. The folks I am also looking for is my ancestors above what I have at the moment and would love to find out if William Stevens c,1841 Terrington St Clement is actually my ancestor and also Jacob and Ruth and their family. many thanks Jayne
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patchem
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1 Nov 2012 07:01 |
Which person is definitely your ancestor? I mean, if necessary, someone born in the 1860's. 1870's or whenever. There is no William, 1841, in either census posted above. You cannot mean cancel everyone in your tree, surely, some of it must be accurate? If you work backwards then you have grandparents, great-grandparents all with certificates etc, so where does it fall down? Thank-you
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Chris Ho :)
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1 Nov 2012 07:18 |
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1312455
(the above was a 'Thread' connected, back to marriage of Phebe Neve, William Stevens, but no further on parentage of William, which I believe is what Jayne is, or was looking for)...
Chris :)
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Barbara
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1 Nov 2012 07:56 |
If William and Phoebe were married in 1852 he could not have been born in 1841 and the marriage states his father was William Info from the other thread
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Chris Ho :)
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1 Nov 2012 08:15 |
Yes, that seems to be the 'problem'...looking for Birth/Baptism info. on that William Stevens, with a father William...
Chris :)
(I think, lol)
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Barbara
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1 Nov 2012 08:26 |
There are 2 William Stevens with a father William on the 1841 census living in Norfolk 1 born 1829 and the other 1832 but no way of finding if these are the correct one
Cannot find a census with William and Phoebe after 1852 which could help
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Jayne
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1 Nov 2012 16:44 |
Hi Barbara and Chris Ho:) Thanks for your replies - Thomas Henry Stevens was born on 19/01/1866 but William was deceased at the time of Thomas Henry's birth. Phoebe noted the birth with a cross. The marriage for William and Phoebe on 26th December 1852 notes that William Stevens senior (whoever he was?????) and is noted as a labourer on the marriage certificate. As for Phoebe, she married Matthew Cozens from South Creake and between them they ran the Park View Hotel in King's Lynn (now a block of flats!) I have - In Terrington St Clement - a Jacob Stevens, his wife Ruth and children Isaac, 1831c, Jacob 1833c, Phoebe 1835 c George c1837, John c1839 and the last I saw of William's info, he was aged 1841 born Terrington St Clement. Thanks for your help, though - I really think this might be the one, but need to know. Kindest regards Jayne
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Chris Ho :)
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1 Nov 2012 17:17 |
Jayne, do you have the 1861 census, with William and Phebe?...
The 1852 Marriage below (from FreeReg) states his father as William (this is all on your other 'Thread', page 2)
Chris :)
County Norfolk Place Terrington Church St John RegisterNumber MarriageDate 26 Dec 1852 GroomForename William GroomSurname STEVENS GroomAge GroomParish GroomCondition Single GroomOccupation Labourer GroomAbode of this Parish BrideForename Phebe BrideSurname NEVE BrideAge BrideParish BrideCondition Spinster BrideOccupation BrideAbode of this Parish GroomFatherForename William GroomFatherSurname STEVENS GroomFatherOccupation Labourer BrideFatherForename Samuel BrideFatherSurname NEVE BrideFatherOccupation Labourer WitnessOneForename Rebecca WitnessOneSurname TROFER WitnessTwoForename John Thomas WitnessTwoSurname COX Notes Groom of Full Age; Groom signed with his mark; Bride of Full Age; Bride signed with her mark; Married by Banns FileNumber 3093
(not sure where Jacob comes in!)
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Barbara
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1 Nov 2012 17:45 |
1861 William Stephens Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Phebe Stephens Gender: Male Where born: Stow, Norfolk, England Civil parish: Clenchwarton County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Wisbech Sub-registration district: Terrington St Clement ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 103 Piece: 1051 Folio: 67 Page Number: 18 Household Members: Name Age William Stephens 33 born in Stow Norfolk Phebe Stephens 29 Born in Hethersett Norfolk John W Stephen 7 This is the William and Phoebe who married in 1852
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Jayne
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1 Nov 2012 21:50 |
Hi Barbara and Chris Ho:) Thank you both so much for answering my question and for the info - this makes much more sense and answers where the missing link was! I will have to unpick my tree now, but at least I will have it all ok ! Do you know the registration for Stow by any chance? If so I could find the correct certificate? Thanks again for your help - you have helped me so much - but I am a very happy lady!! And the Jacob and Ruth folks have gone out of the window! Jayne
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