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Thank you so much. :-)

Happy New Year.

I wonder if this is Rose in 1871?

1871 census

RG number: RG10 Piece: 28 Folio: 49 Page: 2
Reg. District: Kensington
Sub District: St John Paddington
Parish: Paddington

Address: St Mary Hospital, Cambridge Place, Paddington, Paddington, London
County: London, Middlesex

CHAMBERLAIN, Rose Nurse F 36 1835 Middlesex

Born St George's Hanover. States she's a widow but it's not uncommon for separated women to say that to avoid stigma. Could explain why the boys are with grandparents if she's working.

Interesting:

THE LONDON GAZETTE - 25 April 1856
BANKRUPTS
George Chamberlain the younger, 90 Crawford Street, Marylebone. Lead merchant, glass cutter, plumber, painter and glazier

As it's referring to George the younger then I reckon that must be George b1822. Perhaps that's why he's alone on later census - could his marriage have failed when he went bankrupt?

BM - you need to refresh your screen more often!

I've posted above about Mundia so that should work for you. Those trees have the parents of George born 1801 (actually 1798) on it. You wouldn't get a certificate as such (they didn't come in until 1837) you'd have to try for a baptism record.

I signed up ages ago but never used it, do I have to pay to view tree's etc?

Thank you for your help.

Just one last question, how can I obtain a certificate that will tell me who the mother and father is of George Chamberlain b. C.1801?

Thanks :-)

1881, living on his own and saying he's single?

CHAMBERLAIN, George Head Single M 58 1823 Painter & Glazier
London, Middlesex

Piece: 36 Folio: 81 Page: 38
Registration District: Kensington
Civil Parish: Kensington

Address: 9, Bolton Rd, Kensington County: London, Middlesex
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He's remembered that he's married in 1891:

CHAMBERLAIN, George Lodger Married M 70 1821 Glazier
Marylebone, Middlesex

Piece: 25 Folio: 156 Page: 19
Registration District: Kensington
Civil Parish: Kensington

Address: 9, Lonsdale Road, Kensington County: London

BM - are you a member of ancestry? There are a few trees on there that has this Chamberlain family.

If you're not then register with Mundia (an Ancestry spin-off). It's free and you can search and view public Ancestry trees and contact owners.
http://www.mundia.com/gb/

George (father of George Thomas) appears to be in a lodging house on 1861 census (perhaps working away?)

CHAMBERLAIN, George Lodger Married M 39 1822 Glazier St Marylebone

Piece: 2 Folio: 96 Page: 18
Registration District: Kensington
Civil Parish: Paddington

Address: 17, Western Grove North, Paddington County: London

Probate for the oldest George:

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about George Chamberlain
Name: George Chamberlain
Probate Date: 21 Feb 1874
Death Date: 16 Jun 1857
Death Place: Middlesex, England
Registry: Principal Registry

Lived and died at 10 Lisson Grove North, St Marylebone. A Gentleman. Admin (with will) to Rebecca Barton Bucquet, widow (formerly Chamberlain, widow) of 23 Egerton Road, Blackheath Road, Kent - the Relict the Residuary Legatee. Effects under £100
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London, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980

Name: George Chamberlain
Record Type: Burial
Estimated Death Date: abt 1857
Burial Date: 23 Jun 1857
Age: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1798
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hayes
Borough: Hillingdon
Register Type: Parish Register

Thank you.

I am guessing that Rebecca Walters is a second wife to George Chamberlain snr?

And that William Chamberlain listed in the 1851 census is the son of Rebecca and George snr?

So would it be possible to find a first wife if there was one to George snr?

For info:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: George Chamberlain - widower. A merchant. Lived 90 Crawford Street.
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Rebecca Barton Walters, spinster of full age. Lived Spicer Street, Mile End Old Town.
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 3 Jul 1844
Parish: Mile End New Town All Saints
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: William Chamberlain (Deceased, no occupation given)
Spouse Father Name: James Walters - Tailor
Register Type: Parish Register

Witnesses: Robson Dowson and Ann Katherine Walters.

Found them in 1841:

CHAMBERLAIN, George M 40 1801 - Lead and glass work
CHAMBERLAIN, George M 15 1826 Middlesex - assistant
WALTERS, Rebecca F 20 1821 Middlesex

Piece: 679 Book/Folio: 7/15 Page: 23
Registration District: Marylebone
Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Municipal Borough: Marylebone

Address: Crawford Street, St Marylebone, Marylebone County: Middlesex

I'm guessing that Rebecca Walters is George snr wife in 1851.

Bearing in mind ages were rounded down to the nearest 5, George jnr could be up to 19 years old.

On the 1853 baptism for George Thomas the address given was 90 Crawford Street. This is who was there in 1851:

CHAMBERLAIN, George Head Married M 50 1801 Lead Merchant Somersetshire
CHAMBERLAIN, Rebecca Wife Married F 30 1821 Marylebone, Middlesex
CHAMBERLAIN, William Son M 6 1845 Marylebone, Middlesex
FIRTH, Mary F 20 1831 Marylebone, Middlesex
WILLIE, Ness Unmarried F 40 1811 Marylebone, Middlesex

RG number: HO107 Piece: 1489 Folio: 655 Page: 23
Sub District: Saint Marys
Enumeration District: 17
Ecclesiastical Parish: Saint Marys
Municipal Borough: Marylebone

Address: 90, Crawford Street, Marylebone, London County: Middlesex

No relationship given for the two other ladies.

I think it was off of familysearch.org but it was so long ago that I found him but couldn't get any further.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks :-)

Hello again BM - you're right to keep the latest request on here as some of the other info could come in useful.

BM - where did you get George's birth year as 1830?

^Bump^

Hi, Thank you so much for your help but I need some more help.

Seeing as the man I am trying to find is connected to the people in this thread I thought I would just add it here.

George Chamberlain Born c.1830 London
Occupation: Glass Cutter

Married Roaslie Morgan 19th Jan 1851

Had two sons, George Thomas Chamberlain b.1852 d. 1918(He 'married' Annie Aikenhead) and William Chamberlain b.1854 who married Rebbeca Peterson in 1882

I just can't seem to find anything about George Chamberlain b. c.1830 apart from his married to Rosalie.

Any help would be much appreciated. :-)

Thanks.

1851 England Census about William Morgan
Name: William Morgan
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Rosalie Morgan
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Greatworth; Walhampton
Civil parish: St George Hanover Square
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: Haberdasher

Registration district: St George Hanover Square
Sub-registration district: Hanover Square
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 49
Piece: 1475
Folio: 601
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
William Morgan 50
Rosalie Morgan 46 - Stay Maker ( born: Fra B S, Strasburgh )
Joseph Morgan 21
Madeline Morgan 17
Mary Morgan 16
George Morgan 14
Edward Morgan 12
Josephine Morgan 11
Adelaide Morgan 9
Mary Goodridge 50
Mary Williamson 51
Mark Teters 35
............................................................

Deaths Mar 1860 (>99%)
Morgan Rosalie Catherine Mary Magdalene St Geo Han Sq 1a 158

I think that William is correct Catherine - that is the name of the grandfather on the 1861.

Looking at the two marriage records I think the first names on the London record should read the same as on the Pallots.

Although marriage gives Rose's father as Edwd. I think this is her in 1841:-

1841 England Census about Rosalie Morgan
Name: Rosalie Morgan
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Gender: Female
Where born: Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St George Hanover Square
Hundred: Westminster
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: (of father) Silk Mercer

Registration district: St George Hanover Square
Sub-registration district: Hanover Square
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 733
Book: 13
Folio: 37
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
William Morgan 40 - (not born in county)
Rosalie Morgan 35 - (not born in county) born: Foreign Parts
William Morgan 15
Joseph Morgan 12
Rosalie Morgan 9
Madalince Morgan 7
Mary Morgan 5
.............................................................

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about William Morgan
Name: William Morgan
Spouse Name: Austie Cebria Maria Rosalie Wermot
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 3 Feb 1827
Parish: Piccadilly St James
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript
....................................................................................

Pallot's Marriage Index for England: 1780 - 1837 about Wm Morgan
Name: Wm Morgan
Spouse: Rosalie Wancot?? ( original shows:- Rosalie Caterin Marie Madilin Wermist )
Marriage Date: 1827
Parish: Westminster, Middlesex