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Gillian Jennifer
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28 Jan 2013 22:34 |
Hello, I have a Thomas H. Robson born 1849 in Newcastle, Northumberland. On the 1901 census it is recorded he is a nephew of the Head. I have this man born out of wedlock and I am very interested to know who else is on the census with him and the relationship details which may get me a bit nearer to discovering the truth.
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28 Jan 2013 22:39 |
1901 England Census about Thomas H Robson Name: Thomas H Robson Age: 52 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849 Relation: Nephew Gender: Male Where born: Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England Civil parish: Otterburn Ecclesiastical parish: Elsdon Town: Otterburn County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Bellingham Sub-registration district: Bellingham ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 44 Piece: 4829 Folio: 83 Page Number: 8 Household Members: Name Age Margaret Mitchell 80 Grocer Margaret A Douglas 45 Nieces, Anna M Douglas 38 Thomas H Robson 52 Manager woollen mill
All single
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Gillian Jennifer
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28 Jan 2013 22:41 |
Thank you so much Andy, interesting, now I can do some detective work, thank you very much xx
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28 Jan 2013 22:44 |
1891
1891 England Census about Margaret Mitchell Name: Margaret Mitchell Age: 70 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Elsdon, Northumberland, England Civil parish: Otterburn Ecclesiastical parish: Elsdon Town: Otterburn County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
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Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Bellingham Sub-registration district: Bellingham ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4252 Folio: 82 Page Number: 8 Household Members: Name Age Margaret Mitchell 70 Margaret A Douglas 35 Anna M Douglas 28 Thomas H Robson 42 Andy
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28 Jan 2013 22:45 |
Hi Gillian Jennifer, I don't know if this is coincidence given the ages on the census, but could Thomas have been courting the niece ? just in case
Marriages Dec 1911 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DOUGLAS Anna M Newcastle T. 10b 164 << ? Hall Ann P Newcastle upon Tyne 10b 164 Hunter George W Newcastle T. 10b 164 Robson Thomas H Newcastle T. 10b 164 <<<?
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KathleenBell
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28 Jan 2013 22:46 |
On the 1891 census he is with the same people but just recorded as "boarder".
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28 Jan 2013 22:46 |
maybe not lol it would have been a long courtship!
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Andrew
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28 Jan 2013 22:47 |
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1881 England Census about Margaret Mitchell Name: Margaret Mitchell Age: 61 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Elsdon, Northumberland, England Civil parish: Otterburn County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street Address: Otterburn Village Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: Draper And Grocer Registration district: Bellingham Sub-registration district: Bellingham ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 5111 Folio: 42 Page Number: 9 Household Members: Name Age Margaret Mitchell 61 Margaret A. Douglas 25 Annie Maria Douglas 18 Thomas H. Robson 32
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Gillian Jennifer
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28 Jan 2013 22:47 |
Wow, that looks possible, I can find very little on him, but this looks good x x Thank you very much xx
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KathleenBell
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28 Jan 2013 22:48 |
In 1911 he is described as "cousin":-
1911 census transcription details for: Otterburn
National Archive Reference: RG14PN30984 RG78PN1772 RD563 SD1 ED10 SN37 Reg. District: Bellingham Sub District: Bellingham Parish: Otterburn Enum. District: 10
Address: Otterburn County: Northumberland
Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
DOUGLAS, Margaret Head Single F 55 1856 Shopkeeper Northd Morpeth DOUGLAS, Anna M Sister Single F 48 1863 Housekeeper Co Durham Gateshead ROBSON, Thomas H Cousin Single M 62 1849 Mill Foreman Northd Newcastle on Tyne TAYLOR, Frances Servant Single F 15 1896 General Servant Domestic Northd Wallsend
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Gillian Jennifer
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28 Jan 2013 22:49 |
Thank you everybody, he is one of three children born out of wedlock while their father was married. This infor is very good, thank you xx
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28 Jan 2013 22:50 |
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1871 England Census about Margaret Mitchell Name: Margaret Mitchell Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 Relation: Daughter Mother's Name: Margaret Mitchell Gender: Female Where born: Northnd, Elsdon Civil parish: Otterburn County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Registration district: Bellingham Sub-registration district: Bellingham ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household schedule number: 27 Piece: 5157 Folio: 40 Page Number: 5 Household Members: Name Age Margaret Mitchell 78 Margaret Mitchell 50 Daughter William Douglas 13 Grandson Thomas Robson 22 Step Grandson Snowden Douglas 57 Son in Law
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Gillian Jennifer
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28 Jan 2013 22:51 |
It looks like 1911 Margaret Mitchell had passed away, and he was living there with his cousins, I think x x
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28 Jan 2013 22:53 |
1861 England Census about Margaret Mitchell Name: Margaret Mitchell Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 Relation: Daughter Mother's Name: Margaret Mitchell Gender: Female Where born: Elsdon, Northumberland, England Civil parish: Otterburn County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Bellingham Sub-registration district: Bellingham ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 56 Piece: 3868 Folio: 48 Page Number: 12 Household Members: Name Age Margaret Mitchell 68 John Mitchell 39 Son Margaret Mitchell 40 Dau Mary Robson 33 Dau Thomas H Robson 12 Boarder
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Gillian Jennifer
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28 Jan 2013 22:55 |
1871 step grand son, interesting.
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Gillian Jennifer
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28 Jan 2013 23:00 |
Looks possible his Mother was Mary Robson.
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KathleenBell
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28 Jan 2013 23:19 |
Is this Thomas's birth:-
Name: ROBSON, Thomas Humble Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne County: Northumberland Year of registration: 1849 Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3 Volume no: 25 Page no: 371
If it is then the certificate should name his mother and if he was illegitimate then his middle name "Humble" could be his father's surname.
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Gillian Jennifer
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29 Jan 2013 00:11 |
Thank you for that, I will certainly check.
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Gillian Jennifer
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29 Jan 2013 00:12 |
I believe his father to be Shield, but of the three children he had whilst married to others is the only one not using his surname.
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29 Jan 2013 00:38 |
I wondered if Mary Mitchell was the boy's mother, but then again, he is not on this census with the "mother" 1851 England Census about Mary Mitchell Name: Mary Mitchell Age: 23 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828 Relation: Daughter Mother's Name: Margaret Mitchell Gender: F (Female) Where born: Elsdon, Northumberland, England Civil parish: Otterburn County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Registration district: Bellingham Sub-registration district: Bellingham ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 13 Piece: 2417 Folio: 62 Page Number: 3 Household Members: Name Age Margaret Mitchell 59 Thomas A Mitchell 34 John Mitchell 28 son Surgeon Eliza Mitchell 26 Mary Mitchell 23 Maria Ann Mitchell 20 Charles E Robertson 26 visitor b midlothian. Surgeon James Milburn 13
Here he is: 1851 England Census about Thomas H Robson Name: Thomas H Robson Age: 2 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849 Relation: Son Father's Name: Thomas Shield Mother's Name: Sarah Shield Gender: M (Male) Where born: Newcastle, Northumberland, England Civil parish: Whickham County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration district: Gateshead Sub-registration district: Whickham ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 276 Piece: 2403 Folio: 134 Page Number: 67 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Shield 41 Sarah Shield 38 Ann Shield 22 Thomas Shield 20 Robert Shield 16 William Shield 12 Sarah Ann Shield 4 Josephine H Shield 2 Mo Jane Shield 12 Thomas H Robson 2
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