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thank you Sandra

I was trying to find various ways to prove you are on the right lines

HI LANCASHIREANN
JOHN DEATH CERT
12 MARCH 1919 JOHN JOSEPH THORNTON AGE 65 HIS SON HERBERT WAS PRESENT AT HIS DEATH JOHN AND CHARLOTTE DIED IN THE SAME YEAR
1919 . I HAVE A DEATH CERT FOR ELIZABETH THORNTON AGE 33 IN 1864
PRESENT AT HER DEATH WAS ANN THORNTON AT 5 MAKWORTH STREET
HULME
JOHN JOSEPH THORNTON WAS BORN IN NANTWICH 1854 HIS MOTHER ELIZABETH THORNTON NO FATHER THIS ELIZABETH IS THE DAUGHTER OF
JOHN AND ANN THORNTON IN 1841 CENSUS LIVING IN NANTWICH I AM NOT SURE IF I HAVE THE RIGHT FAMILY
THANKS SANDRA

is this Charlotte's death?

Deaths Mar 1919 (>99%)
Thornton Charlotte 63 Chorlton 8c 1573

who registered the death on the death certificate you have for John please and what was his occupation then?

where did you get the Joseph bit of John's name Sandra?

Are you sure you have the right birth certificate as in all the census records he is born in Manchester area and his marriage details are only as John with a father of Joseph.

THANKS TO YOU ALL THIS IS THE RIGHT COUPLE JOHN AND CHARLOTTE
THORNTON I THINK THEY DID LIE ABOUT THEIR AGE
THE ELIZABETH DEATHS MIGHT BE THE ANSWER AS I CANT FIND ANY MARRIAGE FOR HER I HAVE CHECKED THAT ANGLE JOHN DIED IN 1919
THANKS AGAIN SANDRA

(sorry Ann, I wasn't sure of Northwich, getting meself confused with Nantwich, lol, will get to grips with the 'knowledge' one day!)

Chris :)

or for 1871 (all lodgers) in Hulme

Henry Cole 29
John Thornton 17 - striker birthplace unknown
Thomas Bell 20
Edward Lauson 27

?????

Deaths Dec 1863 (>99%)
THORNTON ELIZABETH Nantwich 8a 221

[EDIT: Well, maybe not.
there are also three possible deaths in Chorlton 1861-71)

maybe John lied about his age on his marriage as on every other census he states born 1853/54 and always born in Manchester

1871 ?
TORNTON, John Lodger M 20 1851 Cheshire (Northwich?) (Striker)
HALL, Frederick Lodger M 22 1849 Derbyshire
Piece: 4001
Folio: 15
Page: 24
Registration District: Chorlton
Civil Parish: Hulme
Municipal Borough: Manchester
Address: Dougill Street, Hulme, Manchester
County: Lancashire

the only marriage which fits that 1911 is this one

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1872
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
THORNTON John STANFORD Charlotte Hulme, St. Mark Manchester 5/2/486

image can ebe seen at
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-159376-891113-84?cc=1788853

John is age 21 occupation striker and father is Joseph

1911 (possible)
THORNTON, John Head Married M 57 1854 Blacksmith Striker Lanc Manchester Hulme
THORNTON, Charlotte Wife Married38 years F 54 1857 Lanc Manchester
THORNTON, Herbert Son Married M 20 1891 Iron Tourner Lancashire Hulme
THORNTON, Louisa Daughter Married F 20 1891 Corset Maker Lancashire Hulme
THORNTON, Charlotte Daughter F 14 1897 Paper Bag Maker Lancashire Hulme
PARSONAGE, Elizabeth Boarder Widow F 74 1837 Swansea Wales
RG number: RG14
Piece: 23904
Reference: RG14PN23904 RG78PN1380B RD464 SD4 ED39 SN219
Registration District: Chorlton
Sub District: Hulme
Enumeration District: 39
Parish: South Manchester
Address: 36 Queen St Hulme Manchester
County: Lancashire
(10 children born, 7 living, 3 died)

Chris :)

Baptism
County Lancashire
Place Hulme
Church St George
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth 11 Apr 1891
BaptismDate 06 May 1891
Forename Herbert
Sex -
FatherForename John
MotherForename Charlotte
FatherSurname THORNTON
MotherSurname STAMFORD
Abode Hargreaves St.
FatherOccupation Striker
Notes A note added after the mother's name reads m. S. Mark 1872

County Lancashire
Place Hulme
Church St George
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth 15 Sep 1886
BaptismDate 09 Jun 1889
Forename Elizabeth
Sex -
FatherForename John
MotherForename Charlotte
FatherSurname THORNTON
MotherSurname STAMFORD
Abode James St.
FatherOccupation Striker
Notes A note added after the mother's name reads m. S. Mark's Hulme 1872

County Lancashire
Place Hulme
Church St George
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth 03 Mar 1889
BaptismDate 09 Jun 1889
Forename Lilly
Sex -
FatherForename John
MotherForename Charlotte
FatherSurname THORNTON
MotherSurname STAMFORD
Abode James St.
FatherOccupation Striker
Notes A note added after the mother's name reads m. S. Mark's Hulme 1872


http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

when did John Joseph die please and when & whom did he marry?

i can't seem to find hom on any other census

HI REGGIE
I HAVE GOT THE NAME JOHN JOSEPH FROM BIRTH CERT AND DEATH CERT
HE WAS MY GREAT GRANDDAD THANKS FOR THE INFO FOR FAMILY SEARCH AND PARISH RECORDS I WILL HAVE A GO
FROM SANDRA

You say you 'need to know if you're on the right trail'.................

How do you connect with John Joseph? How did you work back to him?

FMP's version of 1861.......for birthplace info


Person: THORNTON, Elizabeth Address: 13, Vale Street, Hulme, Manchester


THORNTON, John Head Widower M 66 1795 Groom
Lancaster Manchester VIEW
THORNTON, Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried F 29 1832 Dressmaker
Chester VIEW
THORNTON, John Grandson M 7 1854 Scholar
Chester

Have you considered that Elizabeth may have married (or died) between 1861 and 1871?

Look for info on freebmd.........

Have you traced her son in 1871 and later?

Before 1841, info is only on Parish records.....

Try.....

https://familysearch.org/

THANK YOU MYATT
THIS IS HIM BUT I CANT FIND HIS MOTHER ELIZABETH AFTER 1861 CENSUS
AND IN 1841 THERE IS A ELIZABETH LIVEING IN NANTWICH WITH THE SAME I THINK JOHN THORNTON HER FATHER HOW CAN I FIND THEM BEFORE 1841 CENSUS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP
SANDRA

Well, this ;looks like it might be him with mother and grandfather.


1861 England Census
Name: John Thornton
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Grandson
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Thornton
Gender: Male
Where born: Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Hulme
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: Lancashire

Registration District: Chorlton
Sub-registration District: Hulme

John Thornton 66
Elizabeth Thornton 29
John Thornton 7

GRANDPARENTS AND MOTHER I NEED TO KNOW IF I AM ON THE RIGHT TRAIL
SANDRA