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Valentina Report 19 Jul 2013 20:03

I am looking for info about George King born in Grantham, Lincs in 1863. Family gossip is that he had a twin brother. He married Eliza Cook by licence(from cert) in Middlesbrough in Nov.1890. In 1891 they lived at Rose Cottage, QueensRoad,Richmond, Yorks, where their son George Harold was born , my late father-in-law. We know there was a son Albert and a daughter Lily Mattie. The father vanished about 1900 and nobody has any knowledge of him; The only other fact we have on the marriage cert. his father is named as JOHN KING, a stockbroker/ Does anyone has any facts relating to this family as I have come up against a brick wall/ If you can I will be so grateful. THANK YOU.

Valentina King (Daughter-in-law of the late George Harold King)


MarieCeleste Report 19 Jul 2013 20:13

Hello Valentina, have you done any research on census records and checking births marriages and deaths?


MarieCeleste Report 19 Jul 2013 20:35

Just posting that 1891 for further info and his occupation:

KING, George Head Married M 28 1863 Billiard Requisite Supplier & Traveller Grantham, Lincolnshire
KING, Eliza Wife Married F 21 1870 Sheffield, Yorkshire
NICHOLSON, Alice Servant Single F 20 1871 General Servant Domestic Bedale, Yorkshire

Piece: 4036 Folio: 34 Page: 25
Registration District: Richmond
Civil Parish: Richmond
Municipal Borough: Richmond

Address: Rose Cottage, Queens Road, Richmond County: Yorkshire (North Riding)


Catherine Report 19 Jul 2013 20:55

If he had a middle name, then this may be a birth for him?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about George Thomas King
Name: George Thomas King
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1863
Registration District: Grantham
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Volume: 7a
Page: 433

........cert. would give you parents names.


Catherine Report 19 Jul 2013 21:26

Not George, but Eliza:-

1881 England Census about Eliza Cook
Name: Eliza Cook
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George Cook
Mother's Name: Sarah Cook
Gender: Female
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Middleton St George
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address: Fighting Cocks Gas Works
Occupation: Scholar
Registration District: Darlington
Sub-registration District: Darlington
ED, institution, or vessel: 36
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4890
Folio: 51
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
George Cook 46
Sarah Cook 44
Sarah Cook 16
Eliza Cook 11
William Cook 9
George Cook 6
Martha Cook 5


ArgyllGran Report 19 Jul 2013 21:34

If the birth record posted by Catherine is the corrrect one, then the other birth at the same time is presumably the twin brother?
[EDIT - No, see next post,]

Births Mar 1863 (>99%)
KING George Thomas Grantham 7a 433
KING John Thomas Grantham 7a 438


ArgyllGran Report 19 Jul 2013 21:38

No, that birth of George Thomas King may not be the correct one:

Deaths Mar 1863 (>99%)
KING George Thomas Grantham 7a 308

On the other hand, that's the only George King birth registered in Grantham 1860-71.


ArgyllGran Report 19 Jul 2013 21:56

This is the only Lily Mattie (spelling variation) birth I can see about the right time:

Births Jun 1899 (>99%)
King Lillie Mattie Darlington 10a 22


Catherine Report 19 Jul 2013 21:57

I looked for a twin too but George and John are not on the same page.

The only King births born in 1863, Grantham that could possibly be twins are the following:-

Births Sep 1863 (>99%)
KING Albany John Grantham 7a 410
KING Albert John Grantham 7a 410

This family are turning out to be rather elusive. The only record I can see is this one which would be for their son:-

1911 England Census about George King
Name: George King
Age in 1911: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Birth Place: Richmond, Yorkshire, England
County/Island: Military
Country: England
Military Unit: 1st Battn A P W O Yorkshire Regiment
Registration District Number: 641
ED, institution, or vessel: Egypt, Sierra Leone, South Africa and Sudan
Piece: 34993

...........which is possibly George Harold??


Catherine Report 19 Jul 2013 22:13

Do you have any other info that may help?
Any idea where and when the other children were born?
Did the family stay in Richmond, or move away?


Catherine Report 19 Jul 2013 22:39

This looks to be Albert?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Albert Edward King
Name: Albert Edward King
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1893
Registration District: Stockton
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 46 could be him in 1911?

1911 England Census about Albert Edward King
Name: Albert Edward King
Age in 1911: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Relation to Head: Crew
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Eaglescliff, Durham, England
Civil Parish: St Mary
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street Address: SS Knottingley Of Goole, Phoenix Wharf, Northam Soton
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Engineer Steward
Registration District: Southampton
Registration District Number: 99
Sub-registration District: Southampton Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 55
Household Schedule Number: 119
Piece: 5988

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 20 Jul 2013 07:05

County North Riding YKS
Place Richmond
Church St. Mary
RegisterNumber 3189
BaptismDate 03 Jun 1891
Forename George Harold
FatherForename George
MotherForename Eliza
FatherSurname KING
Abode Rose Cottage, Richmond
FatherOccupation Merchant

(just above, on below link)

Chris :)


Catherine Report 22 Jul 2013 16:30

Not sure where Reggie's 1901/1911 family fits in?


ArgyllGran Report 24 Jul 2013 12:07

This is the Lillie M King in the 1901/11 posted by Reggie:
Births Mar 1899 (>99%)
King Lily May Stockton 10a 50

The correct one seems to be the Darlington birth already posted:
Births Jun 1899 (>99%)
King Lillie Mattie Darlington 10a 22

I don't see her in 1901, but here she is (probably) in 1911. Eliza Lae (Lee? Lea?) is listed as her mother, born c1871 in Sheffield (per the image, not the transcription):

1911 England Census about Lillie King
Name: Lillie King
Age in 1911: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Darlington, Sheffield
Civil Parish: Cowpen
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street Address: 34 Disraeli St Blyth
Occupation: School
Registration District: Tynemouth
Registration District Number: 559
Sub-registration District: Blyth
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Piece: 30830
Household Members:
Name Age
Eliza Lae 40
Lillie King 11

The record doesn't say how long Eliza had been married, and I can't find a convincing marriage before the census date, so perhaps she wasn't actually married, which would fit if George had just upped and offed.

Wild guess - how about this one, after the census?
Marriages Jun 1911 (>99%)
Cook Eliza Tynemouth 10b 512
Lee Arthur Tynemouth 10b 512

And maybe Lillie's marriage:
Marriages Sep 1919 (>99%)
King Lillie M Lord Tynemouth 10b 665
Lord John F King Tynemouth 10b 665


ArgyllGran Report 24 Jul 2013 12:40

Can this be Eliza and children in 1901 - with a husband named Edward? Edward's occupation looks something like Manager for Jewellery Trade.
Liza & children's names/ages all match.:

1901 England Census about Liza Cook
Name: Liza Cook
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Edward Cook
Gender: Female
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Ecclesall Bierlow
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthias
Town: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: 8 Harland Rd

Condition as to marriage:


Employment status:

View Image

Registration District: Ecclesall Bierlow
Sub-registration District: Ecclesall Bierlow
ED, institution, or vessel: 36
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 113
Piece: 4352
Folio: 165
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Cook 41 c1860, Grantham
Liza Cook 31
Geo H Cook 10 c1891, Sheffield
Albert Ed Cook 8 c1893, Sheffield
Lily Cook 2 c1899, Sheffield


Valentina Report 24 Jul 2013 14:35

Thank you for the info. We know Eliza Cook/Lee did in fact live in Disraeli St. Blyth and had several other Blyth addresses before her death living in Waterloo Road. My sister-in-law, who is 91 remembers her well. We understood she did marry Mr Lee but can only find a reference to it in Tynemouth in 1911 but no evidence of any divorce or disolvement of the original marriage and I am told my late father-in-law would never talk about his family life growing up. V.King