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HI V we can dicount this william as he was base born in the workhouse :-( re the Ann situation it is the same Ann appearing on the census as the baptism just with her aunt and Uncle on the census. The same for William they are the same children??? but how you set out to prove that i have no idea! Also V did you see the James York underneath on the baptisms also a wadding maker living in Napoleon place who on earth is he?????

William York

Record Type:

Baptism

Baptism Date:

5 Jan 1853

Mother's Name:

Ann York

Parish or Poor Law Union:

Bermondsey St Mary Magdalene

Borough:

Southwark

Register Type:

Parish Registers


Born in workhouse.

Regards Vera

You probably know all this....but no Ann

1861
Sex Age Birth Year Occupation
Disability Where born Image
YORK, Jeremiah Head Married M 32 1829 Fireman
Lambeth, Surrey VIEW
YORK, Ann Wife Married F 33 1828
Shoreditch, Middlesex VIEW
YORK, George Son Unmarried M 8 1853 Scholar
Camberwell, Surrey VIEW
>>>>>>>YORK, ... Son M 6 1855 ........... on image it is Thomas (Thos) Henry
Woolwich, Kent VIEW
YORK, Elizabeth Daughter F 10 1851
Woolwich, Kent VIEW
YORK, Eliza Son F 3 1858
Woolwich, Kent VIEW
Piece: 319
Folio: 138
Page: 58
Registration District: Bermondsey
Civil Parish: Bermondsey
Municipal Borough: Southwark
Address: 1, Napoleon Place, Bermondsey, Southwark
County: London, Surrey


1861 I know you have all this.......but got to get it straight in my mind !!!!
Heres the other Jeremiah with wife Caroline
can't seem to find a birth in Shoreditch for Ann or the others with Jer and Caroline as parents......obviously the children were not born in Shoreditch.Maybe the adopted the other children... look at the years of birth.

Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation
Disability Where born Image
YORK, Jeremiah Head Married M 39 1822 Wadding Maker
Lewisham, Kent VIEW
YORK, Caroline Wife Married F 31 1830
Horsleydown, Surrey VIEW
YORK, William Son M 9 1852 Scholar
Shoreditch, Middlesex VIEW
YORK, Ann Daughter F 8 1853 Scholar
Shoreditch, Middlesex VIEW
YORK, Charles Son M 5 1856 Scholar
Shoreditch, Middlesex VIEW
YORK, Sarah Daughter F 9 1852 Scholar
Shoreditch, Middlesex VIEW
Piece: 231
Folio: 28
Page: 52
Registration District: Shoreditch
Civil Parish: Shoreditch
Municipal Borough:
Address: 10, Anns Place, Shoreditch
County: London


1851 for my ref......

YORK, Jeremiah Head Married M 28 1823 Wadding Traveller
Lewisham, Kent VIEW
YORK, Caroline Wife Married F 21 1830
Horsedown VIEW
YORK, Sarah Daughter F 1 1850
Burmarsh, Surrey VIEW
Piece: 1539
Folio: 24
Page: 40
Registration District: Bethnal Green
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Municipal Borough: Tower Hamlets
Address: 2, Cross Street, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex

Regards Vera

?????

Ann Meridith York

record Type:

Baptism

Baptism Date:

27 Feb 1853

Father's Name:

Jeremiah York
Mother's Name:

Ann York

Parish or Poor Law Union:

Shoreditch St Leonard

Borough:

Hackney

Register Type:

Parish Registers

address 12, New Norfolk street....occ. Wadding maker.


Regards Vera

well i'm stumped now also on Williams baptism page is the baptism of Sarah York daug of James and Mary Ann he is also a wadding maker and living in Norfolk Place who on earth are they???????
the only other poss explanation is that william and ann were visiting their auntie and uncle on census night for some reason and got listed with the wrong parents?? how on earth do we find out for sure???
HEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLPPPPPPPPPPPP am losing the plot now :-(

right 1861 William York b1852 is on the 1861 with his parents Jer and Caroline!!!
Ann Meredith York b1853 is on the 1861 and 1871 with her parents Jer and Caroline!!!
so i think that answers it???
did Jer and Ann also have a child ann at a similar time??? or did the vicar get the names mixed up as the child was ann did he wrongly put that down as the mothers name as well? often they weren't filled in straight away?

HI Mary glad i'm not the only one!! this lot do my head in big time!
i'm just going to add all the info above to see if it squares with what i already have. re Ann meredith york where did you get the info from as to her parentage. I looked at about 5 trees on ancestry and they all seemed to have copied one person without checking out the facts for themselves?? I contacted one as she had Henrys DOB down as 1783 instead of the correct 1804 as one of the census' is mistranscribed and she just replied yes i know it's wrong? well why not change it then????? As we know with so many rels with similar DOB and names it all has to be double checked!
back in a bit xxxxxx

This is doing my head in.
Ann York of Napoleon Place Bermondsey buried 15/1/1866.

Caroline York of 49,Old Nichol street buried same place 24/10/1871.(Widow on 1871) at Old Nichol Street.

William York married 1872 address 59,Old Nichol Street dad Jeremiah, William married Hannah Griffiths.
Yet it is said that William is son of Jeremiah and Ann!!

Caroline and Jeremiah are supposed to be parents of Ann Meridith York yet Jeremiah and Ann had her baptised.
1861 no Ann with Jeremiah and Ann but there is one with Jeremiah and Caroline!

Maryb.

thanks everyone at least i can discount the reading Jeremiah :-( back to the drawing board :-( @Mary he could have used any name under the sun nothing would surprise me with these Yorks they are the bain of my life lol. Many thanks for persevering with me xxxxxxxxxx

Have had a look..............no luck...but these only go up to 1867
Convict Transportation Registers 1787-1867 – details for over 123 000 of the estimated 160 000 convicts transported to Australia in the 18th and 19th centuries - names, term of years, transport ships and more.

Regards Vera

I wonder if Jeremiah's went under the name of John?

Maryb

HM Prison Reading, formerly known as Reading Gaol, is a prison located in Reading, Berkshire, England. The prison is operated by Her Majesty's Prison Service.

HM Prison Reading was built in 1844 as the Berkshire County Gaol in the heart of Reading, Berkshire on the site of the former county prison, alongside the site of Reading Abbey and beside the River Kennet.


Regards Vera

YORK

Jeremiah

68

St Giles, Reading

Reading

STG/21/2



EDIT Just read Marys answer....so it looks like he isn't the one.......your Yorks never make it easy !!!

Regards Vera :-)

Jeremiah H York born @ 1809/11 Born reading Berkshire died 1879,so not yours.

Maryb

Yes I think it is the same guy in Prison,well actually it was only a police station so maybe he was there just for the night.
he was the only prisoner there,a bit drunk maybe!!

Maryb.

Hiya,
There was a Reading Prison....not sure if it closed recently.
Been looking for a transportation.......so far no luck.

Looks like you might have found his death..........but without proof........we know what that can mean !!!
Regards Vera :-)

there is only 1 death showing on free BMD March qtr 1879 ref 2c 289 age 68 Reading, can anyone else see any further details eg burial etc? the age is a bit out but depends who registered it as to whether they would know his actual age. Is there a prison in reading?

HI all sorry no idea what happened to either of the jeremiahs re the Jer being at home and in prison his wife Ann told a porkie! i imagine she just answered questions without realising he was supposed to actually be there. Def only 2 Jer!!!!!!! could they have been sent somewhere else other than Oz ????

What about the other one born @ 1825 in prison 1851 in West ham what happened to him and was he also in the same family.

Maryb.

The problem is Helen, we can't find a death for either of the 'two' Jer*

I've checked Oz records, transportation and deaths and nothing seems to coming up. I guess your man could have died at sea

Do you know what happened to his cousin?