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I know this is speculation, but lookng at the possible India connection I've come across a Frederick Wm Lee, born in India staying with his cousin in the 1871 census. The family live in Taunton!

Here's the 1911 census with the Sarah and Lydia

Name: Sarah Annie Lee
Age in 1911: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Droylsden
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 318 Market St Droylsden
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Cop Reelers Cotton
Registration District: Ashton under Lyne
Registration District Number: 468
Sub-registration District: Audenshaw
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Piece: 24373
Household Members:
Name Age
Mark Lee 60
Sarah Annie Lee 24
Lydia B Lee 23


Same family in 1901

Name: Mark Lee
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Nancy Lee
Gender: Male
Where born: Dukinfield, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Audenshaw
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Ashton under Lyne
Sub-registration District: Audenshaw
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 65
Piece: 3787
Folio: 141
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Mark Lee 51
Nancy Lee 52
Sarah A Lee 14
Lydia B Lee 13

Looks like Rupert came back to the UK?

Name: Rupert Lee
Birth Date: abt 1890
Date of Registration: Mar 1963
Age at Death: 73
Registration District: Ashton
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10b
Page: 211

Name: Rupert Lee
Probate Date: 28 Feb 1963
Death Date: 3 Feb 1963
Death Place: Lancashire, England
Registry: Manchester, England


Rupert Lee of 55 Boodle Street, Ashton-under-Lyne, Lancashire, Probate to Geoffrey Stansfield Lee, Joiner

I didn't know about the Polly - Sarah Ann connection. That sheds a whole new light on it. There are 2 possibles I can find on the 1911 census. One household has Mark as the head with 2 single daughters Sarah Ann and Lydia (Lydia being witness on marraige cert). The other is William Lee as the head with Mary Ann as his wife, Bertha & Sarah Ann as single daughters. (Maybe family tradition got the Grandma & Aunt the wrong way round?). This lead would be amazing as my husbands family comes from Rangoon and lived in Bombay and the head of this household was born in Bombay!

Mind you the way this is going it will be neither of these two :-S

The other weird connection with the second family is the son Rupert going to USA on the ship Arabic in Nov 1913 as my grans uncle went to USA on the Arabic in Nov 1908!

Really sorry about this folks I'm getting very confused with what I've found and not found. I was concentrating on Ashton. I found a William E Lee reg 1908 in Ashton, mothers name Bertha Lee. When I got cert she was Lee (nee Bramall). On looking at the cert again THIS is the one that died in 1909 so I scrapped that line of enquiry.
Since evryones help it's kick started meagain & I now have
William E Lee
Birth: 1912
Maiden Name: Lee
District: Nuneaton
AND
William E Lee
Birth: 1912
Maiden Name: Lee
District: Taunton

I also have found
William E Lee
Death: 1960
Disrict: Nuneaton

AND

William E Lee
Death: 1983
District: Manchester

To be honest I haven't the resources to get lots of certificates. I would appreciate your opinion on what might be the best one to give me the most info?

Polly is usually the nickname for Mary Ann, but I have come across a Sarah Ann who was called Polly.

Looking at the marriage witnesses

????
Name: Lydia Lee
Mother's Maiden Name: Young
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1913
Registration District: Ashton Under Lyne
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 969

And looking at the others on the 1911 census


Rupert went to the USA

Name: Rupert Lee
Gender: Male
Ethnic Background: English
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Birth Place: Ashton, England
Age: 22
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Arabic
Arrival Date: 13 Nov 1913
Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts
Friend's Name: Jno Lee
Last Residence: England

NOK given as Father Wm. of Boodle Street (same as 1911 census)

Now I know why no one else in the family has worked it out :-(

Just to point out that if William walked out on the family, he might have died anywhere in the country.

If that death that you found in 1983 (with birth date 10/05/1912 ) is correct, then that birth cannot be him, or vice versa:

Births Mar 1912
Lee William E Lee Nuneaton 6d 943

unless the informant did not know his correct birth date.

Thank you, I missed that one. So tied up with Berthas and Pollys.
Just found a death cert for William Edward Lee in 1983. States birthday 10/05/1912 in Manchester, but can't find a birth entry to coincide.
Already wasted money on wrong certificates, but I may have to go for this one.

There is Sarah Ann Lee in the 1911 census posted.

Just remembered something that might be useful (though I've o idea how to follow up on it). I've found an entry to St Thomas School, Ardwick, Manchester in 1920 for William Edward Lee - born 1912. However, it says name of Parent/Guardian - Sarah AnnThat doesn't fit with the other names circulated, but it may be him?

Mavis
Sorry if this is all confused, but I'm all confused by it. It's something the family have always wanted looked at but never attempted before. This is what I know.
William Edward Lee married my gran - Agnes Skitt on 18th June 1932. He's down as a bachelor, 20 yrs old from lime Grove Longsight (crane driver), fathers name blank. Witnesses were William Sadler & Lydia Lee.
William walked out on the family just after the war and has not been heard of since.
Back in the 1980's I asked about him for a school project and gran told me he was illegimate and son of a Jewish doctor. His mum was in service. His name being Rosenthall or Rosenberg. This was the first my mum had ever heard of this!
Mum remembered a grandma Bertha and an Aunt Polly, but was unsure who was actually his mum. Agnes, William etc lived on Cogden St during the war nr Belle Vue Manchester. My aunts remember visiting Bertha on Stockport Road, but were too young to remember much else. Gran married twice after William and eventually died in Rochdale. Once William disappeared they seem to have lost touch with the Lee side. As far as I can tell they all came from the Dukinfield, Ashton, Longsight area, but who knows :-S

Thanks again for your interest I only get chance to do this in small doses, and to be honest get a bit disheartened so give up for a while.
Bless you
Debbie

Debbie

Slightly crossed purposes that was the death of the child

I was interested in the death of William E Lee who married Agnes Skitt -- what area that they die in if you know

Mavis

Thank you Debbie for your reply

I presume that that birth above may be what you are looking for ?

when you have a little more time details from the marriage cert could be quite helpful especially witnesses

Mavis

I'm sorry you find it discourteous not to reply immediately I can't alway spare the time to do this and I have other threads to follow too. As for the death I can't find it now, so must have been mistaken. As for the Polly and Bertha you have all I know.
I appreciate your time and effort on my part, and sorry you feel I've wasted you time.
WILLIAM EDWARD
Last Name LEE
Gender Male
Year 1909
Birth Year 1908
Birth Month
Birth Day
District ASHTON UNDER LYNE
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8D
Event Quarter 1
District Number
Page 421
Line Number 250
Entry Number
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
DOR
Category Births, Marriages & Deaths
Collections from Great Britain

Bless you
Debbie

Deborah

Would you please have the courtesy to answer my question about the death registration

When and where did William E Lee -- pass away ?? Aston under Lyne ??

any details on "Bertha " and "Polly " that could help the search.

on the Marriage what addresses are there -- and who are the witnesses

Mavis

Could be the ones. Thanks it's the kisck start I needed. :-D