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Missing Shields Ancestor

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Ena Report 4 Oct 2013 21:08

Could you please help me to find Joseph Zoumie Shields who married Ann Broadhurst at Ormsskirk in 1880 after that he seems to have dissappeared of the earth.


MarieCeleste Report 4 Oct 2013 21:10

Hello Ena, when and where was he born?

Have you found Ann on any later census? When and where was she born?

Also, do you have his middle name of Zoumie on any other record, or just that marriage?

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 4 Oct 2013 21:25

Name: Joseph Zou??ie Shields
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1880
Registration District: Ormskirk
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8b
Page Number: 1146
Records on Page:
Ann Broadhurst
Anna Broadhurst
Joseph Zou??ie Shields
Joseph Zoumie Shields
Ellen Sutton
John Wright


Andrew Report 4 Oct 2013 21:28

There is this Ann Broadhurst in the correct area in 1871

Civil Parish:North Meols
Ecclesiastical parish:Holy Trinity
Registration District:Ormskirk

Mary A Broadhurst 29
>>>>Ann Broadhurst 9 born Southport
William Broadhurst 5
Elizabeth Broadhurst 3

and this in 1881, same area

Where born:Sport, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish:North Meols

Street Address:204 Milton St
Marital Status:Married
Employment status: View Image
Registration District:Ormskirk
Sub-registration District:North Meols

Joseph Duncan 36
Susan Duncan 32
Elizabeth Duncan 3
John Trafford 27
>>>>Ann Shields 19 Charwoman, married.


Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 4 Oct 2013 21:32

Do you know his birth year and was he born in Lancashire?


ArgyllGran Report 4 Oct 2013 23:41

Presumably Ann's birth:

Births Sep 1862 (>99%)
BROADHURST Ann Ormskirk 8b 597


patchem Report 4 Oct 2013 23:54

Do you know of any children to Ann and Joseph, or who she subsequently married?

His Father's name from the marriage certificate would also be useful.


Ena Report 5 Oct 2013 16:50

hello folks iam new to this so bear with me
i know where Ann has been al the time as she had numerous children with John William Kirk these are my husbands Father and siblings On the census's after 1891 she is with john and her family and she is down as his wife .I can find know record of a divorce but just after she married Joseph Zoumie childs he appears in prison at Walton in Liverpool do you think perhaps she could'nt marry John W kirk as she was still legally married to J zZ Shields


Eringobragh1916 Report 5 Oct 2013 17:44

Joseph married Ann in St Cuthberts Church Nth Meols..unfortunately the Registers for the time in question dont seem to be avaliable


MarieCeleste Report 5 Oct 2013 19:52

Hello Ena, your assumption that Ann couldn't marry John W Kirk because she was still legally married is highly likely correct. Divorce was extremely rare for ordinary people (which was why there was so much bigamy).

You really need to give us some of the info we've asked for so we can try to find out what happened to Joseph.

Have you actually got the marriage certificate from 1880? If so, can you give us his age, occupation and name and occupation of his father? (If you haven't got it, it would be well worth buying).

When and where was Joseph born? You mention he was in prison soon after marriage -was this on the 1881 census?


Eringobragh1916 Report 5 Oct 2013 20:00

Ena....Where have you found the "Zoumie" part of his name...on what document..?
It may be the "Z" was a "T" therefore making it Toumie (or variation) eg Tommy


Eringobragh1916 Report 5 Oct 2013 20:05

Cant find him in Walton Goal 1881

Walton Gaol H M Prison, Hornby Road, Walton-On-The-Hill, Lancashire, England
List of Staff and Prisoners, 1881


ArgyllGran Report 6 Oct 2013 16:59

"Zoumie" is on the GRO Index re his marriage - as already posted by Shirley:

Marriages Dec 1880 (>99%)
Broadhurst Ann Ormskirk 8b 1146
Shields Joseph Zoumie Ormskirk 8b 1146

But it may have been mistranscribed by the clerk who typed the GRO list.

You really need to buy the marriage cert to find out any more - age, parents' names, and whether or not "Zoumie" is correct.

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ArgyllGran Report 6 Oct 2013 18:00

Is this Ann in 1891?

1891 England Census about Ann Kirk
Name: Ann Kirk
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Wm Kirk
Gender: Female
Where born: Southport, Lancs, England
Civil Parish: Hooton
Ecclesiastical parish: Hooton
Town: Hooton
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration District: Wirral
Sub-registration District: Eastham
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2872
Folio: 38
Page Number: 67
Household Members:
Name Age
John Wm Kirk 35
Ann Kirk 30
George Kirk 7
James Hy Kirk 5
Sarah Ann Kirk 1
Rosanah Catlin 18 - sister-in-law
William Catlin 27 - brother-in-law

and lots of boarders


MarieCeleste Report 21 Dec 2013 10:17

pm received from Ena

"I only have him on his marriage lines I think he went to prison in Liverpool
he must have done something really wrong as Ann is with John william Kirk after 1881 and though I can find no marriage for them they had George , james Edward, Sarah Ann , Eliza, Edith,_Walter William, they all have Ann |Kirk nee Broadhurst on their birth certificates.She died named Ann Kirk1904 in Salford. I find this strange what do you think

(Have asked for replies on here).


MarieCeleste Report 21 Dec 2013 10:30

Ena, when you say you only have him on his marriage lines - do you actually have the certificate? If so, what information does it give about him - his age, occupation, where he lived? What does it say about his father?

The LancsBMD record of the marriage doesn't give a middle name for him:

Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
SHIELDS Joseph BROADHURST Ann North Meols St Cuthbert North Sefton C9/3/60


alviegal Report 21 Dec 2013 20:28

You can view the page on fmp and I think it may be Joseph Zournie Shields, not that that makes the slightest bit of difference just now. :-D :-D


Ena Report 22 Dec 2013 16:12

marriage information for Joseph Zoumie Shields ie:

married 28th december 1880 Joseph Zoumie Shields age 20 labourer
Ann Broadhurst age 20 --------------
Both resident at Hilton Street ? could be shilton
Parents Joseph !umie Shields painter
Joseph Broadhurst bricksetter
Witness's James Shields
Mary Ann Cox
The parish church of North Meols
Hope this helps


Ena Report 28 Nov 2021 16:34

Still looking for Joseph Zoumie Shields


ArgyllGran Report 28 Nov 2021 16:58

For our reference -

is this the man you thought might be him in Walton??

Joseph Shields
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Joseph Shields
Gender: Male
Age: 28
Relationship: Prisoner
Birth Year: 1863
Birth Place: Liverpool
Civil parish: Walton
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Evangelist
Residence Place: Walton, Walton, Lancashire, England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub registration district: Walton
ED, Institution or Vessel: Her Majestys Prison Liverpool
Piece: 2981
Folio: 99

The image says he's a stone mason .

There are several court records for a stonemason called Joseph Shields in Liverpool - described as a habitual criminal.
No middle name.