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I'm trying to find what happened to Charles Reginald Humphrey who has vanished sometime around 1906. Here is what I know about him.
He was born 1870 in Grafton Regis, Northamptonshire, the son of Samuel Humphrey and Elizabeth (unknown). He married Emma Laura Abbs on 11 Dec 1901 in Erpingham, Norfolk.and his occupation was a butler. Charles and Emma had a child Muriel Howard Humphrey born 13 Feb 1906 in Melcombe Regis, Dorset. A second child Joan Anna Humphrey was born 8 Nov 1912 in North Hammersmith London , and Charles occupation is a Domestic Valet - however family information suggests that Charles was not the father of Joan although he is on the birth record.
I've searched in vain on the 1911 census to find either Charles (on his own) or Emma with her daughter Muriel.
Muriel went on the marry Stuart Tennant Lyle and were the parents of my friend Howard Tennant Lyle born 01 Aug 1935 in Sutton Coldfield, West Midlands.
I'm wondering if Charles Reginald Humphrey left the country and was on any shipping lists around 1906 -1912.
I would also be interested in anything uncovered on the 1911 census
Thank you for your help
Tom

Did Charles or Emma witness the marriage of the daughter

Is the death in 1926 correct for Emma ?


Name: Emma L Humphrey
Birth Date: abt 1876
Date of Registration: Dec 1926
Age at Death: 50

Registration District: Erpingham
Inferred County: Norfolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 75

Hi GlitterBaby
The daughter Muriel married 04 Sep 1934 in Acton, Brentwood, Middlesex.
Emma died 01 Feb 1927 in Middlesex, England so not a witness
Charles also recorded as deceased
Emma Laura Abbs had a second marriage to John H Mockridge (a solicitor) on
01 Jul 1925 in Brentford, Middlesex. where she is recorded as a widow. Again, the family are nor entirely sure if this was true.

Tom

So that might explain the possible listing on electoral registers for 1925 in Harrow for Emma

His birth and marriage were not registered under Humphrey:


Births Sep 1899 (>99%)
Humphreys Charles Reginald R Forden 11b 169 Scan available - click to view

Marriages Dec 1901 (>99%)
Humphry Charles Reginald Erpingham 4b 191

Just realised that cannot be his birth - not finding one for 1870, though.

Are you sure he was Charles Reginald? There is this one in 1871:


1871 England Census
Name:John Charles Humphreys
Age:1
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1870
Relation:Son
Father's Name:Samuel Humphreys
Mother's Name:Elizabeth Humphreys
Registration District:Potterspury
Samuel Humphreys 32
Elizabeth Humphreys 30
Jane Hannah Humphreys 7
Richd Thomas Humphreys 5
Elinor Kate Humphreys 3
John Charles Humphreys

Just Charles in 1881:




Name

Age

Sam. Humphreys 42
Ebth. Humphreys 40
Kate Humphreys 13
Charles Humphreys 11
Joseph Humphreys 8
Ebith. Humphreys 6
Wm. Humphreys 3
Edith Humphreys 1

Back to John in 1891:

Samuel Hunphrey 51
Elizabeth Hunphrey 49
John C Hunphrey 21
Joseph W Hunphrey 18
Lucy E Hunphrey 16
William H Hunphrey 13
Edith L Hunphrey 11

A tree on Ancestry has this census attached to him - it is a very big household, so I will only post his details - occupation Butler, b ~Sheffield Yorkshire; working for the Astell family:


1901 England Census
about Charles Humphry

Name:Charles Humphry
Age:31
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1870
Relation:Servant
Gender:Male
Where born:Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish:Gamlingay
Ecclesiastical parish:St Mary the Virgin
Town:Gamlingay
County/Island:Cambridgeshire
Country:England

The tree has no other info on him except that his wife was Emma Abbs.

On this census somebody has corrected the original transcription, saying the image does not have the correct info - it is just Charles on it. Samuel is a butcher. What occupation is given for Samuel on Charles's marriage cert?:


1871 England Census
Name:Charles Humphrys
[Charles Reginald Humphry]
Age:6 Months
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1870
Relation:Son
Father's Name:Samuel Humphrys
Mother's Name:Jane Humphrys
Gender:Male
Where born:Islington, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish:Islington St Andrew
Ecclesiastical parish:St Andrew
County/Island:London
Samuel Humphrys 39
Jane Humphrys 43
Harry Humphrys 12
John Humphrys 9
Charles Humphrys 6 Months
George Young 23

Occupation for Charles (no middle name given) on the baptism record for Muriel was clerk, address given as Spa Road


Name: Menriel Howard Humphrey
Baptism Date: 1 Apr 1906
Parish: Radipole
Father's Name: Charles Humphrey
Mother's Name: Emma Laura Humphrey

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
Name: Emma Laura Abbs
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 11 Mar 1877
Christening Date: 10 Dec 1877
Christening Place: Runton, Norfolk, England
Age at Christening: 0
Father's Name: George Abbs
Mother's Name: Ann

England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940
Name: Emma Laura Abbs
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1877
Age: 24
Father's Name: George Abbs
Spouse's Name: Charles Reginald Humphry
Spouse's Age: 31
Spouse's Father's Name: Samuel Humphry
Marriage Date: 11 Dec 1901
Marriage Place: Runton, Norfolk, England


Name: Emma Laura Humphry
Probate Date: 17 Sep 1929
Death Date: 1 Feb 1927
Death Place: Middlesex, England
Registry: London, England
(widow, of 2, Montague Road, West Ealing, died 6, North Common Road, Ealing. Probate to reverend Daniel Roche clerk. Effects £850 10s)

(not sure if you have above)

Chris :)

edits (apologies, forgot she Married again!)

1911
MOCKRIDGE, John Humphreys Head Married19 years M 39 1872 Solicitor London Kensington
MOCKRIDGE, Anna Maria Wife Married19 years F 39 1872 Norfolk Cromer
MOCKRIDGE, Maud Louise Daughter Single F 18 1893 Student London Hammersmith
MOCKRIDGE, Cyril John Son M 14 1897 School London Hammersmith
RG number: RG14
Piece: 212
Reference: RG14PN212 RG78PN7 RD3 SD1 ED16 SN383
Registration District: Fulham
Sub District: North Hammersmith
Enumeration District: 16
Parish: Hammersmith
Address: 34 Ingersoll Road Shepherds Bush
County: London


Marriages Dec 1891 (>99%)
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Abbs Anna Maria Erpingham 4b 199
Mockridge John Humphreys Erpingham 4b 199


England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940
Name: John Humphreys Mockridge
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1871
Age: 20
Father's Name: John Humphreys Mockridge
Spouse's Name: Anna Maria Abbs
Spouse's Age: 20
Spouse's Father's Name: George Abbs
Marriage Date: 1 Oct 1891
Marriage Place: Runton, Norfolk, England


Divorce Court File: 7278. Appellant: Anna Maria Mockridge. Respondent: John Humphrey Mockridge. Type: Wife's petition ...
Court for Divorce and Matrimonial Causes, later Supreme Court of Judicature: Divorce and Matrimonial Causes Files. 1909-1917 Series. Divorce Court File: 7278. Appellant: Anna Maria Mockridge. Respondent: John Humphrey Mockridge. Type: Wife's petition for divorce [wd].

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/s/res?_q=john+mockridge

Samuel Humphrey is recorded as an Estate Agent on the marriage certificate of son Charles Reginald

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11000-55953-38?cc=1416598&wc=MMVP-49M:897596066

Marriage cert gives Charles Reginald's abode as Gamblingay Cambridgeshire
so 1901 cenus that Potty posted looks promising

Emma Laura was a widow when she died in 1927 re probate

Humphry Emma Laura of 2 Montague Road West Ealing, Middlesex, widow, died 01/02/1927 at 6 Northcommon Road Ealing.
Probate to the reverend Daniel Roche clerk. Effects £850 10s

So possible death for Charles

Deaths Dec 1926 (>99%)
HUMPHRY Charles 58 Kensington 1a 184

Thank you "all" for taking the trouble to reply to my enquiry.

I would really like to know if anybody can find Charles Reginald Humphry on any shipping records leaving the country around 1906 - 1912.

Also can anybody find Emma Laura Humphry with her daughter Muriel on the 1911 Census.

Tom

Some more information, but not effective for the search of Charles Reginald Humphry. -
John Humphry Mockridge first Spouse was Anna Maria Abbs who was the sister of John Humphry Mockridge second spouse Emma Laura Abbs.

(I know - its very complicated)

Tom

Possible death???

Charles Humphrey
Aged 53
Dec Q 1924
Edmonton 3a 693

WELL! Hello everyone. I didn't know this place existed. How wonderful!
So - Blue/Tom, (me) being the granddaughter of Emma Laura here is what I know.

Emma married Charles Reginald Humphry in 1901 - I have the marriage certificate & yes his father is listed as Samuel - estate agent.
But note the spelling in this and in the 1901 Gamlingay census.

My Aunt Muriel was born in 1906. Look on the Jolley Family Tree and I believe there is a pic there of Emma & Muriel that I presume is Muriel's christening.

Charles seems to have been absent or in and out of Emma's life from thereon.

In fact Muriel's birth in Weymouth raises my suspicions (regarding parentage) as Emma seemed to live in London (near her brother & Anna Maria and JH Mockridge?) and went to Weymouth - where I believe her sister Ruth lived - to have Muriel.
That aside, when Charles was 'there', he and Emma were always tiddly - or drinking when John Humphreys Mockridge visited them (Mockridge lived in Ealing and visited often). My father implied that Emma lived near Mockridge - or near enough for Mockridge to visit often - and that WHEN Humphry was there - there was always drinking going on.

Joan - is a bit of a mystery - her father was supposed to be a Somebody Walker - or Wilkinson. This man was madly in love with Emma and begged her to go to the US with him and start a new life there.
Emma must have been seriously considering this because when Mockridge found out - he sobbed and wept etc told her he'd always loved her and pleaded with her not to go. He promised to look after her. He was already paying for Muriel's schooling I believe).
So - after having Joan Emma then had two more children by Mockridge - Peggy & my father Howard.
Of course there was a huge scandal - Anna Maria divorced him, and the 2 children of that marriage never spoke to him again I believe.

.....Historical True Anecdote....
When my father Howard was a baby, and Muriel was holding him, there was a knock at the door. When Muriel answered it, it was Humphry standing there.
Humphry said, "Who's baby is that?"
Muriel said, "It's mother's."
Muriel says Humphry's face 'went all dark', and he turned and stomped back down the path and slammed the gate after him.
THEY NEVER SAW HIM AGAIN.

So, Humphry marries Emma in 1901 - fact.
Muriel is born just over 4 years later.
She gives birth in 1912, 1914, & 1916 - WITHOUT Humphry's knowledge?
HUH?

Incidentally when Emma died (alcoholism), Mockridge took my father to the funeral home and sobbed over her body every day until she was buried. Then Mockridge would take my father to the grave in Ealing several times a week and do the same over the grave.

So - although I can't tell you what happened to the mysterious Charles Reginald Humphry - I know he visited Emma (or attempted to) in 1916.

Once - a long time ago, I spotted a name on ancestry regarding a Charles Humphr/e/y with about 13 aliases - various spellings for 'Humphrey', and Charles/Chas/Reggie etc as well. Sadly I was too green a member of ancestry to copy n paste the url.....

Adz

Oh - yes there are shipping records that give a Chas Humphreys/Humphries etc going to both USA & Canada.
I haven't bothered with them as I couldn't be sure this was Emma's husband.
Adz

Welcome to the boards Adelaide. In the early years if probably took a number of us time to find the them on this site and post.

Tom/Blue started this thread a couple of years ago. it would be lovely to think that he still keeps an eye on it, and that his friend on whose behalf he was asking, is still interested.

If you were interested, you could click on his name to send a message off-board. As long as he still has the same registered e-mail address, GR will notify him that you are trying to make contact.