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I am trying to find the Nee name of my great Grandmother, born in Scotland, could be Motherwell ? born in 1849. and had been with a man named as John Graham Messenger, 1881 census cockermouth, later they moved to Warrington, she died in a train incident 1888.
She has some connection to the McKay family, as there is a baby buried in the same grave, named as Stanley Joseph McKay in Warrington.. also she had a tattoo on her wrist ( J MCKay )

Hope can help.

Start by looking for a possible marriage..............

Either on Scotlands people...............or, if the marriage could have been in England, on freebmd

Or get a copy of the birth cert of whichever of her children was your grandparent............

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

First Name MARGARET
Last Name MESSENGER
Relationship WIFE
Condition MARRIED
Gender Female
Age 32
Year Of Birth 1849
Occupation -
Birth Town -
Birth County -
Birth Place SCOTLAND
House Number 41
House Name -
Street LORD NELSON ST
Town -
Parish WARRINGTON
County Lancashire
Country ENGLAND
Registration District WARRINGTON
Archive Reference RG11
Piece Number 3794
Folio 118
Page 30

Household Members
First Name Last Name Relationship Age Year Of Birth
JOHN MESSENGER HEAD 43 1838 Image Transcription
MARGARET MESSENGER WIFE 32 1849 Image Transcription
SAMUEL MESSENGER SON 8 1873 Image Transcription
ANN MESSENGER DAUGHTER 6 1875 Image Transcription
WILLIAM MESSENGER SON 0 1881

John Graham Messenger married twice in England................

Births Jun 1875 (>99%)
Messenger Ann Warrington 8c 194

Births Dec 1877 (>99%)
MESSENGER Margaret Warrington 8c 203
Deaths Jun 1878 (>99%)
MESSENGER Margaret 0 Warrington 8c 101

Births Jun 1879 (>99%)
Messenger John Graham Warrington 8c 212
Deaths Mar 1881 (>99%)
MESSENGER John Grayham 1 Warrington 8c 114

Name: John Graham Messenger
Gender: Male
Burial Date: 24 Dec 1900

Death Place: Warrington, Lancaster County, England
Age: 61
Birth Date: 1839

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B01816-8

Name: John Graham Messenger
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 08 Jul 1838
Christening Place: MARYPORT,CUMBERLAND,ENGLAND

Father's Name: Robert Messenger

Mother's Name: Ann

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C03682-1
System Origin: England-ODM

Name: William Ridgeway Messenger
Birth Date: 1880
Birthplace:
Age: 26
Spouse's Name: Mary Mullins
Spouse's Birth Date: 1886

Spouse's Age: 20
Event Date: 14 Oct 1906
Event Place: Parish Church Of Warrington, Lancashire, England
Father's Name: John Graham Messenger

Spouse's Father's Name: John Mullins

Marital Status: Single

Spouse's Marital Status: Single

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01376-9

Births Dec 1880 (>99%)
Messanger William Ridgeway Warrington 8c 191

Name: Mary Ann Messenger
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 25 Apr 1865
Christening Place: Great Broughton, Cumberland, England

Father's Name: John Graham Messenger

Mother's Name: Mary Jane

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C17153-1




Marriages Mar 1864 (>99%)
Messenger John Graham Cockermouth 10b 677
Ritson Mary Jane Cockermouth 10b 677

Almost certainly, there was no marriage, so you will have to invest in a child's birth cert

These are the 3 people in that grave:

Cemetery Section Grave Date Position Deceased Funeral Director
Warrington Cemetery CG SECTION I 808 26/01/1881 1 Baby John Graham Messenger
Warrington Cemetery CG SECTION I 808 24/07/1888 2 Mrs Margaret Messenger
Warrington Cemetery CG SECTION I 808 12/02/1897 3 Baby Stanley Joseph McKay Edmonds ***

You will note that baby McKay is actually 'McKay Edmonds' !

B/C Number 6894
Burial Date 12/02/1897
Date of Death
Name Baby Stanley Joseph McKay Edmonds
Address 26 Aiken Street;Warrington
Postcode
Age -1 Years
Denomination 0
Funeral Director
Service Burial Direct to Grave
Cemetery Warrington Cemetery
Section CG SECTION I
Grave 808

Dea x

Births Dec 1896
Edmonds Stanley Joseph M Warrington 8c 247

Dea x

HOW ON EARTH does one do an address search on either FMP or Ancestry now they have changed the searches ? :-| :-| :-| :-| :-|

Can anyone help please with looking for the baby's address - 26 Aiken St, Warrington before and after his death in 1897 ??

Dea x

I have a 'feeling' that the baby was a child of this family:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
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First Name DOROTHY
Last Name EDMONDS
Relationship DAUGHTER
Condition -
Gender Female
Age 5
Year Of Birth 1906
Occupation -
Address 3 NORTH STREET LIVERPOOL
Parish LIVERPOOL
County Lancashire
Country ENGLAND
Where Born LIVERPOOL LANCS
Year Of Marriage -
Years Of Marriage -
Archive Reference RG14
Piece Number 22166
Census Reference RG14PN22166 RG78PN1312 RD453 SD2 ED17 SN54
Registration District LIVERPOOL
Registration District Number 453
Sub District EXCHANGE
Enumeration District 17
SubDistrict Number 2
Folio -
Page -
Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales


Household Members
First Name Last Name Relationship Age Year Of Birth Where Born
JAMES MCKAY EDMONDS HEAD 41 1870 WISHAW LANARK
Image Transcription
ELIZA EMMAA EDMONDS WIFE 40 1871 WANDSWORTH SURREY
Image Transcription
JAMES PERCY EDMONDS SON 12 1899 LIVERPOOL LANCS
Image Transcription
JESSIE M EDMONDS DAUGHTER 11 1900 LIVERPOOL LANCS
Image Transcription
DOROTHY EDMONDS DAUGHTER 5 1906 LIVERPOOL LANCS
Image Transcription
ERNEST EDMONDS SON 1 1910 LIVERPOOL LANCS
Image Transcription
GEORGE EDMONDS SON 0 1911 LIVERPOOL LANCS


Marriages Dec 1894
Bruce Alfred William Wandsworth 1d 1196 Scan available - click to view
***Edmonds James Wandsworth 1d 1196 Scan available - click to view
***Neal Eliza Emma Wandsworth 1d 1196 Scan available - click to view
Page Esther Caroline Wandsworth 1d 1196 Scan available - click to view

I think it would be worth following James McKay Edmonds back a little way?

12 children born - 6 have died.....

Dea x

No wonder I couldn't find anything on freebmd for Stanley Joseph Mckay!!!!!

BUT.......all Jean needs to do to get the answer to her actual question is to get a birth cert

Births Sep 1904
Edmonds Gladys McKay Liverpool 8b 121 Scan available - click to view

Births Sep 1905
Edmonds Dorothy McKay Liverpool 8b 85 Scan available - click to view

Births Dec 1909
Edmonds Ernest McKay Liverpool 8b 65 Scan available - click to view

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This is them on 1901.

NOTE that Harold J was born in Warrington so they were at least living in the area !when little Stanley died !


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
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First Name JAMES
Last Name EDMONDS
Relationship HEAD
Condition MARRIED
Gender Male
Age 31
Year Of Birth 1870
Occupation PUBLIC HOUSE MANAGER ('Could' say 'Bath House Manager' ??)
Birth Town -
Birth County -
Birth Place WISHAW SCOTLAND
Street RICHMOND ROW
Town -
Parish LIVERPOOL
City -
Country ENGLAND
County Lancashire
Vessel Name -
Municipal Ward ST ANNE'S
Registration District LIVERPOOL
Archive Reference RG13
Piece Number 3423
Folio 132
Page 8
Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Household Members
First Name Last Name Relationship Age Year Of Birth
JAMES EDMONDS HEAD 31 1870
Image Transcription
ELIZA EDMONDS WIFE 30 1871
Image Transcription
HAROLD J EDMONDS SON 5 1896
Image Transcription
JAMES P EDMONDS SON 2 1899
Image Transcription
JESSIE M EDMONDS DAUGHTER 1 1900

Dea x

Dea, it's well nigh impossible to do address searches now on FMP. Have spoken to their support team and they have admitted that the functionality has been lost but they will not be able to reinstate it as it was (or not in the near future).

I know she only neecds to get the cert Reggie but there isn't much on the site nowadays to 'get your teeth into' ;-) :-D

Have to go now but will get back onto it later.

Dea Xxx

P.S. Reggie - don't spoil my fun and find out everything before I get back ;-) :-D :-D

Dea Xxx