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Jo

Jo Report 29 May 2014 04:49

I found out My great grandmother Ursula Jackson (born 1889 there abouts) was married twice.
1st to a frank g burt then appartently had a daughter Alice Olivia burt.
As you could guess my mum was dumbfounded when she found this out.
My great grandmother remarried a Walter Oakley and had two more children Kathleen and Eilleen Jackson.
Walter went looking for work never to return home.
Can anyone tell me anything on Alice or frank burt or Walter Oakley ?
Kind regards jo

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 29 May 2014 05:17

Jo


was this in Australia, NZ ................ or the UK?

Jo

Jo Report 29 May 2014 05:30

Ursula Jackson was born in Australia and married in Australia and is buried at rookwood cemetery in Sydney Australia. I'm not sure where frank was born.

Jo

Jo Report 29 May 2014 05:31

I cannot find anything on them I'm just hoping someone on here can help me

Gee

Gee Report 29 May 2014 06:25

Hi Jo

Are you sure about the birth year for Ursula, she would have quite old for a first marriage in 1932?



Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950

Name:Ursula Jackson

Spouse Name:Frank G Burt

Marriage Date:1932

Marriage Place:New South Wales

Registration Place:Sydney, New South Wales

Registration Year:1932

Registration Number:4751

Gee

Gee Report 29 May 2014 06:51



Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980

Name:Frank Gordon & Ursula Burt

Gender:Male

Electoral Year:1949

State:Victoria

District:Fawkner

Subdistrict:Prahran



Australia Death Index, 1787-1985

Name:Frank Gordon Burt

Death Place:Victoria

Age:64

Father's Name:Wm Burt

Registration Year:1949

Registration Place:Victoria

Registration Number:12459

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1885



If she was born when you say she was, there is little chance of her having children post 1954



Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980

Name:Ursula Burt

Gender:Female

Electoral Year:1954

State:Victoria

District:Fawkner

Subdistrict:Prahran


Jo

Jo Report 29 May 2014 06:57

Does seem a little strange and having her 1st child Alice, then remarrying and having two more daughters to walter Oakley (my aunt Kathleen and my nana Eileen).
It was around that time frame, she passed away around 1989/90 she was nearly 100 years old yes this is very strange. My nan died 2005 at 89 years of age.
Kindest regards jo

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 29 May 2014 06:58

Again, there are several Public Family Trees on ancestry with Ursula and Frank in them.

Same caveat as before ..................... documentation is uncertain, but this information gives you a bit better of a starting point




Ursula Mary Jackson
Birth 1894 in Barmedman, Nsw, Australia
Death in Basin View, Nsw, Australia


Parents

Ambrose Alexandra Jackson
1863 – 1941

Ellen Mary Josephine Blenner-Hassett
1868 – 1946


Siblings

Elizabeth Ann Jackson
1889 –

Ethel May Jackson
1890 – 1977

Eileen M Jackson
1892 – 1910

Mary Ann Jackson
1897 – 1965

Margaret Jackson
1899 – 1899

Kathleen Veronica Jackson
1900 – 2003

Grace Josephine Jackson
1903 – 1962

Honora Frances Jackson
1906 – 1973

Alphonus Alexander Jackson
1908 –



Marriage to Frank G Burt
1932 — Age: 38
Sydney, N.S.W, Australia


No child shown


Second marriage is Private, indicating that the tree holder has not provided a death date for him



Another tree has her name as Ursula Mary Ann Jackson

and names her second husband as Walter Oakley



Frank Burt's full name is apparently Frank Gordon Burt ......... but that tree is private, and I can't see the details

Jo

Jo Report 29 May 2014 07:02

Ursula was born in barmedman nsw and died in basin view.
I hope this helps
Kindest regards jo

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 29 May 2014 07:03

I meant to add this from the trees .........................



Frank G Burt
Birth 1889 in Wilcannia, NSW, Australia
Death

no mother or father named



Walter Oakley
Birth in Goldburn, NSW Australia
Death 1952 in Petersham, Sydney, Australia

no mother or father named




actually she was only about 38 when she married Frank Burt ........................... not uncommon at that time. She could have been taking care of her parents, or working

Gee

Gee Report 29 May 2014 07:09

Ursula was still a 'Burt' in 1954 so that tree looks dubious as it has Walter as dying in 1952!

Gee

Gee Report 29 May 2014 07:19

Jo

Is this her birth?



Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922


Name:Ursula M Jackson

Birth Date:1894

Father's Name:Ambrose A Jackson

Mother's name:Ellen B

Birth Place:New South Wales

Registration Year:1894

Registration Place:Barmedman, New South Wales

Registration Number:5591

Gee

Gee Report 29 May 2014 07:32

She appears on the ER right up to last one available online



Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980

Name:Ursula Margaret Burt

Gender:Female

Electoral Year:1980

State:Victoria

District:Henty

Subdistrict:Bentleigh North

Jo

Jo Report 29 May 2014 07:41

Yes that's her birth would you know how many children she had?

Jo

Jo Report 29 May 2014 08:08

Ursula was blind and bedridden for a long time I'm not sure that she was able to get to Victoria her middle and last names were Mary Anne Jackson / burt/ Oakley

Gee

Gee Report 29 May 2014 08:10

Hi Jo

Births are not available online for the period you are looking for

I think her death certificate should name her children

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 29 May 2014 08:57

I'm a bit puzzled! If she had her daughters with Walter Oakley AFTER having been married to Frank Gordon Burt then why were the daughter's surnames Jackson?

A notice from The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) of 13 December 1949

FRANK GORDON BURT. Formerly of 330 Bridge Road. Richmond. Confectioner, But Late of 444 Malvern Road, Prahran. Sprayer. Deceased.
After 14 clear days Ursula Burt of 444 Malvern road. Prahran, widow, the executrix appointed by the deceased's will (dated 12th September. 1933) will APPLY to the Supreme Court of Victoria for a grant of PROBATE of the said WILL.
ARTHUR ROBINSON & Co . Solicitors 360 Collins Street, Melbourne.

From Trove http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home

If she was born 1894 and widowed 1949 there's surely no way she had children after that?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 29 May 2014 09:09

Jo - what was Ursula's surname when she died?

I'm wondering how the daughters were Jackson - did they all revert to Ursula's maiden name when Walter disappeared?

Dea

Dea Report 29 May 2014 09:18

If Ursula was born 'Ursula Mary (Anne), then why was she Ursula MARGARET Burt on that electoral roll ?

Dea x

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 29 May 2014 09:53

The Ursula Jackson who married Frank G Burt had no middle initial. I wonder if this is her death?

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Ursula Burt
Death Place: Victoria
Age: 70
Father's Name: Alfred Jackson
Mother's name: Esther Goddland
Registration Year: 1971
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 24323
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1901

The Ursula Burt who was married to Frank G Burt was still in Victoria in 1954 (as Gins posted above) at the same address that she lived at with Frank whilst he was alive, per the Electoral Rolls. I don't think the Ursula Margaret Burt posted above is the same person, she appears as a typist from the 1950s which implies that was when she attained voting age.