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Hi,

I am just wondering how you search for people who have been put into Sanatorium/Asylums. The reason I ask is that I am trying to trace my great great grandmother, Caroline Whitehouse. Born 1854c coven Heath Wolverhampton, occupation was general servant. Married Henry Dabbs 1889 Cannock and had a daughter the next year, Ethel Ann Dabbs B1890. When Ethel was 10 there was no record of Caroline living with them. I did find a reference to her in Cannock Asylum but have no idea when she was put there or if she ever came out again.

After talking recently to a relative she did confirm that Caroline had indeed been put in some sort of Asylum soon after the birth of her daughter because of post Natal depression but did not know if she had ever come out again.

I would be so grateful if anyone could help as its such a sad yet fascinating part of my history, especially as all the females in my family have had traumatic births and Post natal depression.

Thanks in advance,

kind regards,

Sarah Adams nee Capewell

Is this the daughter and husband in 1901, just for ref ?:-

NAME: Ethel Ann Dabbs
AGE: 10
ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: abt 1891
RELATION TO HEAD: Daughter
GENDER: Female
FATHER: Henry Dabbs
BIRTH PLACE: Ford Houses, Staffordshire, England
CIVIL PARISH: Longton
ECCLESIASTICAL PARISH: Edensor St Paul
TOWN: Longton
COUNTY/ISLAND: Staffordshire
COUNTRY: England
STREET ADDRESS:

REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Stoke upon Trent
SUB-REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Longton
ED, INSTITUTION, OR VESSEL: 19
NEIGHBORS: View others on page
PIECE: 2616
FOLIO: 112
PAGE NUMBER: 25
HOUSEHOLD SCHEDULE NUMBER: 129
HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS:
NAME AGE
Henry Dabbs 60
Ethel Ann Dabbs 10

1911?

NAME: Henry Dabbs
AGE IN 1911: 71
ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: abt 1840
RELATION TO HEAD: Lodger
GENDER: Male
BIRTH PLACE: Stone, Staffordshire
CIVIL PARISH: Longton
COUNTY/ISLAND: Staffordshire
COUNTRY: England
STREET ADDRESS: No 8 Gold St, Longton, Stoke On Trent
MARITAL STATUS: Married
OCCUPATION: General Labourer
REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Stoke upon Trent
REGISTRATION DISTRICT NUMBER: 361
SUB-REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Longton
ED, INSTITUTION, OR VESSEL: 4
HOUSEHOLD SCHEDULE NUMBER: 6
PIECE: 16591

..........states he is still married!

For ref:

1911: Aston Union Workhouse

Name: Caroline Dabbs
Age in 1911: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Erdington
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Formerly A General Servant
Registration district: Aston
Registration District Number: 385
Sub-registration district: Erdinton
ED, institution, or vessel: 51-52, 55
Piece: 18370

1901: Aston Union Workhouse

Name: Caroline Dabbs
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Bushbury, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Erdington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Erdington
ED, institution, or vessel: Aston Union Workhous

NAME: Caroline Dubber
[Caroline Dabbs]
AGE: 37
ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: abt 1854
RELATION: Wife
SPOUSE'S NAME: Henry Dubber
GENDER: Female
WHERE BORN: Coven Heath, Staffordshire, England
CIVIL PARISH: Aston
ECCLESIASTICAL PARISH: All Saints
TOWN: Bordesley
COUNTY/ISLAND: Warwickshire
COUNTRY: England
STREET ADDRESS:

OCCUPATION:
REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Aston
SUB REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Deritend
ED, INSTITUTION, OR VESSEL: 57
NEIGHBORS: View others on page
PIECE: 2411
FOLIO: 11
PAGE NUMBER: 18
HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS:
NAME AGE
Henry Dubber 50
Caroline Dubber 37
Ethel Dubber 10

1911 census states that Caroline has been married for 20yrs - 2 children, both living. Also states that she is a Lunatic (4) not known (I presume that means that they did not know for how long she has been a lunatic)
Don't know what the number 4 means but could be the severity of her Lunacy. There are others with other numbers noted - 4, 6,7 and 8.

????


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Caroline Dabbs
Name: Caroline Dabbs
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Registration Year: 1915
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 62
Registration district: Aston
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 638

This link will give you a bit of information on the workhouse:-

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Aston/

On other web sites where people have been trying to find out about admissions to Birmingham Workhouses it has been suggested that they contact Birmingham Library as it would seem that, that is where the archives are kept.

Good luck, hope you find what you are looking for.

This site may be of interest to you

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Aston

At the end of the page it says that the records are held at Birmingham Archives and Heritage Centre
http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/archivesandheritage

Either visit or contact them to search their discharge records. They will make a charge if you can't go in person. They may still hold her file which could make poignant reading.

The following thread discusses where people who died in the WH/Asylum might be buried
http://birminghamhistory.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=35299

Connected thread

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1347910

Hello Sarah and welcome to the Community boards.



(I'll let Sarah know how to find her replies) :-)

Hi,

Yes you have the right Caroline Dabbs nee Whitehouse if she married Henry dabs and had a daughter Ethel Ann Dabbs. Although I did notice that one record showed another child? I have no record of another child she may have had and I have never heard the family mention it. Isuppose its not beyond the realms of possibility Does anyone have an admissions date for her? I suppose the only thing I can do is to go and visit the Birmingham Archives myself.

So where do I go from here?

Thank you so much for all your help,

Kind regards

Sarah Adams nee Capewell

Admission dates aren't on line - you'll have to contact the relevant archive for the Asylum/WH records.

Sometimes research had to be done the old fashioned way, by pouring over dusty ledgers! :-D

Well that actually sounds like fun!!!! So Birmingham Archives it is then!!

Would I be able to find out where she died online or would that be the Archives too??


Kind regards

Sarah

Have you discounted the death record I posted earlier?
(See post dated 28 Dec @ 17:12)

If you mean the exact address, you'd have to buy a copy of the death cert from GRO, quoting the Volume and Page numbers given in my post.
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

No Argyllgran, I am so sorry I completely missed that post for some reason!!! Thank you!
Caroline on one of the posts it mentioned Caroline on the 1911 census as having 2 children, where did you find this record and do you have the names of both children?

or you can payb the archive office to do some of the initial work for you ; it saves a lot of time + cost if you don't need the original documents each time . they charge per hour but do the work much quicker than amatuers

but doing it yourself is fun = you may see a family connection on an eadjoining page that a professional researcher may miss .

or you can pay the relevant archive office to do some of the initial work for you ; it saves a lot of time + cost if you don't need the original documents each time
. they charge per hour but do the work much quicker than amatuers

but doing it yourself is fun

you may see a family connection on an eadjoining page that a professional researcher could miss .
happy hunting : let us know how you get on