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I have come across this Emily before and I am almost certain she is not my one. I remember the unusual name of the groom. Mine was Baptised only Emily (but she could have taken on an extra middle name I suppose) - I have been to Aylesbury and have the church records for St. Nicholas, Great Kimble. Rather a difference in age but anything is possible in "love" or maybe if you are very poor? Wonder if others think this is her. I haven't written why it is not her in my notes which is not good. I think I also looked for her in Battersea on 1901 and 1911 census but couldn't find her there - not that proves she was in the area or not

Now I am not saying this is her but she was born 1865 and is a spinster aged 49. He is 26! Her father is John Coleman a farm steward???????????

Name: Emily Gertrude Coleman
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Age: 49
Spouse: Victor Max Wilhelm Berthold Hecht
Spouse Age: 26
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 2 Jul 1914
Parish: All Saints, Battersea
Borough: Wandsworth
Father Name: John Coleman
Spouse Father: Victor Paul Louis Hecht
Register Type: Parish Register

This is his baptism which would make him the right age on the marriage.

Name: Victor Max Wilhelm Berthold Hecht
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 9 Aug 1887
Birth Place: Greifswald, Pommern, Preußen, Germany
Father: Victor Hecht
Mother: Adolphine Kagelmacher Hecht
FHL Film Number: 1705920

EDIT NO NOT THIS ONE AS I HAVE HER ON THE 1891 AND HER FATHER JOHN WAS BORN IN NORFOLK AND SHE WAS BORN IN WOBURN BEDS.
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It was just a thought............that did'nt work out. :-(

Why I am focussing on this bit of the tree is that I would love to see a photo of my grandparents, Louisa (nee Coleman) and Joseph Holmes. I have never seen one ever and this would bring tears to my eyes to know what they looked like. I am hoping that in finding ancestors along a different branch of the family, they might have a photo but it is a long shot. I live in hope and thanks in advance for anyone who might find Emily or Mary Ann. I have made about 5 visits to the archives centre at Kew, where they have wonderful research facilities but to no avail. One day maybe, the mysteries will be solved..............

I wondered if that was the case with the surname but ArgyllGran really cottoned on before I did.

I am so sorry, I have made a mistake in the surname. How really stupid of me.

The thing is that the first child of John and Emma Coleman was born before they were married. John was not the father and on the 1891 census John Jnr. reverted to his birth name of John Adams. He is the only Adams out of their children. To clarify, I am looking for Emily and Mary Ann Coleman. The sightings you have Mel Fairy Godmother and Argyll Gran are my family but I cannot find the two girls after 1891

Name: John Coleman
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Emma Coleman
Gender: Male
Where born: Gt Kimble, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Great Kimble
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Street address: Marsh Road
Marital Status: Married

Registration district: Wycombe
Sub registration district: Wendover
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1469
Folio: 88
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
John Coleman 44
Emma Coleman 41
John Coleman 20
Mary Ann Coleman 13
Louisa Coleman 8

No Emily on this census

So Louisa must be her gran then?

Name: John Coleman
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: 1838
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma Coleman
Gender: Male
Where born: Gt Milton, Oxfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Great Kimble
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Wycombe
Sub-registration district: Wendover
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 46
Piece: 861
Folio: 98
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
John Coleman 23
Emma Coleman 21
John Coleman 1

Name: John Coleman
Age in 1911: 73
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Great Hitton, Oxon******************************
Civil Parish: Great and Little Kimble
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Street address: Great Kimble, Tring
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Farm Labourer
Registration district: Wycombe
Registration District Number: 145
Sub-registration district: Princes Risborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 25
Piece: 7901
Household Members:
Name Age
John Coleman 73
Emma Coleman 72

Marriage of John Coleman and Emma Adams


Marriage Information
Date
2 Sep 1860
Location
Oxfordshire, England
to John Coleman

Bap.
Name: Mary Ann Coleman
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 22 Sep 1867
Baptism Place: Great Kimble,Buckingham,England
Father: John Coleman
Mother: Emma
FHL Film Number: 919235

If they are Colemans why on earth did Thelma put Adams as their surname?

No wonder we are going round in circles and not finding anything.

Mary Ann Coleman
England and Wales Census, 1881
Name: Mary Ann Coleman
Age (Original): 13
Gender: Female
Birth Year: 1868
Birthplace: Gt Kimble, Buckinghamshire, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Just Left School
Address: Marsh Road
Event Place: Great Kimble, Buckinghamshire, England
Record Type: Household
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 1469 / 88
Page Number: 10
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
John Coleman Head M 44 Gt Kimble, Buckinghamshire, England
Emma Coleman Wife F 41 Gt Haisley, Oxfordshire, England
John Coleman Son M 20 Gt Haisley, Oxfordshire, England
Mary Ann Coleman Daughter F 13 Gt Kimble, Buckinghamshire, England
Louisa Coleman Daughter F 8 Gt Kimble, Buckinghamshire, England
GS Film number: 1341356

From FS:


Mary L Coleman
England and Wales Census, 1871
Name: Mary L Coleman
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Female
Age: 4
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Birthplace: Great Kimble, Buckinghamshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Wycombe
Sub-District: Wendover
Parish: Great Kimble
County: Buckinghamshire
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
John Coleman Self M 35 Great Milton, Oxfordshire
Emma Coleman Wife F 31 Great Hasley, Oxfordshire
John Coleman Son M 11 Great Hasley, Oxfordshire
Emily Coleman Daughter F 6 Great Kimble, Buckinghamshire <<<<<
Mary L Coleman Daughter F 4 Great Kimble, Buckinghamshire <<<<<

I am not having much luck are any of you??

I can't find either of them on any census with their mother.

Thelma, please can you post whatever census records you have found for the girls or their parents? - we're floundering in the dark!

These must be their births. There are no Wycombe district births for them as Adams.

Births Sep 1867 (>99%)
Coleman Mary Ann Wycombe 3a 468

Births Jun 1865 (>99%)
Coleman Emily Wycombe 3a 453

???????

Name: Emma Aarnes
[Emma Adams?]
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Kingham High, Wicklow, Ireland
[High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, England]
Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
Town: Norwood
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Norwood
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Household schedule number: 4
Piece: 694
Folio: 96
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard F Worth 67
Maria A Worth 58
Francis Worth 31
Edward F Worth 28
Mary D Worth 23
Sarah B Worth 19
Emma Aarnes 35********Emma Adams Single
Amelia Garnham 25

????

Emily Coleman in the 1881 England Census
Name: Emily Coleman
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relationship to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Gt Kimble, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Hampstead
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 53 High Street
Occupation: Nursemaid
Registration district: Hampstead
Sub registration district: Hampstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 167
Folio: 11
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
Chas.B. King 44
Jane King 32
Jane M. King 11
Chas B. King 8
Thos.C. King 5
Willm.S. King 2
George H. King 1
Emily Coleman 15
Sarah Ann Price 19

In 1911, that John & Emma Coleman's record says they had 6 children born - 3 still living, 3 deceased.

But that doesn't agree with what Thelma says about Emily & Mary Ann's parents, so maybe not the right family?


John Coleman

in the 1911 England Census
Name: John Coleman
Age in 1911: 73
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Great Hitton, Oxon
Civil Parish: Great and Little Kimble
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Street address: Great Kimble, Tring
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Farm Labourer
Registration district: Wycombe
Registration District Number: 145
Sub-registration district: Princes Risborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 25
Piece: 7901
Household Members:
Name Age
John Coleman 73
Emma Coleman 72
Source Citation
Class: RG14; Piece: 7901; Schedule Number: 25

and 1881:

Mary Ann Coleman

in the 1881 England Census

Name: Mary Ann Coleman
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: John Coleman
Mother: Emma Coleman
Gender: Female
Where born: Gt Kimble, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Great Kimble
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Street address: Marsh Road
Occupation: Just Left School
Registration district: Wycombe
Sub registration district: Wendover
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1469
Folio: 88
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
John Coleman 44
Emma Coleman 41
John Coleman 20
Mary Ann Coleman 13
Louisa Coleman 8

Is this possibly Mary Ann in 1891??
I'm as puzzled as Kathleen about why you say their father's name is Coleman.

Mary Coleman in the 1891 England Census

Name: Mary Coleman
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Great Kimble, Berkshire, England
[Great Kimble, Buckinghamshire, England]
Civil Parish: Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillips
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Kensington
Sub registration district: Brompton
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 34
Folio: 150
Page Number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles H Dendy 38
Blanche I Dendy 32
Eirene B Dendy 7
Murray H Dendy 5
Norman H Dendy 3
Margaret E Dendy 2
Louisa C Wilson 63
Emma Lawton 40
Hester E E Hannam 40
Alice Hellier 20
Mary Coleman 23
Caroline Tubbs 17