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I am having great difficulty tracing this person:

1851 I have Ellen Brooks aged 8 daughter of William Brooks starch manufacturer of 59 Hercules Hall or Mansions Lambeth London SE
1861 Ellen Brooks aged 18 living with George an uncle - not sure this is right Ellen
1871 ??
1881 ??
1891 ??
the difficulty in this period she may have been an actress with a different name and lying about her age. We know later she used the surname HARRIS. Was she married?
1898 we know from a press report she was living at 7 York Rd Battersea as Mrs Eleanor HARRIS. I have not been able to trace her previous husband.
1899 marriage certificate has Ellenor HARRIS father Wm Brook starch manufacturer. She married my great uncle Edward Anwyl OWEN, linen draper.
1901 Helen HARRIS (Boarder/housekeeper) 7 York Rd born 1853 Lambeth!! She had been married to Mr OWEN for 2 years, but say she is Harris and a domestic.
1911 Ellin OWEN, 7 York Rd, aged 55 when she was really 68.
I have not been able to find her death record; or whether she ever had children. Help!

1851 for OUR reference.


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Hercules Hall, 2, Lambeth, Surrey, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Brooks Head Married Male 46 1805 Starch Maker Lambeth, Surrey, England
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Elizabeth Brooks Wife Married Female 42 1809 - Lincolnshire, England
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Elizabeth Brooks Daughter Unmarried Female 18 1833 - Lambeth, Surrey, England
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Charles Brooks Son Unmarried Male 16 1835 Drapers Shopman Lambeth, Surrey, England
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Clara Brooks Daughter - Female 12 1839 Scholar At Home Lambeth, Surrey, England
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William Brooks Son - Male 14 1837 - Lambeth, Surrey, England
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Ellen Brooks Daughter - Female 8 1843 Scholar At Home Lambeth, Surrey, England
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Frederick Weston Visitor Unmarried Male 15 1836 Warehouseman In Shirts Lambeth, Surrey, England
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Elizabeth Swaine Servant - Female 14 1837 House Servant Cambridgeshire, England

In case you don't have this......

Ellen Brooks in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Ellen Brooks
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 12 Mar 1843
Father's name: William Brooks....Vauxhall Walk (Starch Maker)
Mother's name: Elizabeth Ann Brooks
Parish or Poor Law Union: Lambeth St Mary
Borough: Lambeth
Register Type: Parish Registers

Could this be a marriage?


England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription
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First name(s) ELLEN
Last name BROOKS
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1869
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ ELLEN BROOKS married one of these people
>>JOSIAH RICHARD HARRIS<<, HENRY SHEATH
District LAMBETH
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1D
Page 476


Sorry must leave as work calls :-( :-( Hopefully someone else can pick up on this.

Perhaps someone could check this one out as well?


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
105, Malpas Road, St Paul Deptford, Greenwich, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Josiah R Harris Head Widower Male 61 1840 Professor Of Music City of London, Middlesex, England
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Helen Barker Niece Widow Female 34 1867 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Anna H Barker Niece Single Female 18 1883 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Alice S Barker Niece Single Female 17 1884 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Ellen Brooks in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Ellen Brooks (Spinster)
Spouse: Josiah Richard Harris (Batchelor) Hair Roper??
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 22 Jun 1869
Parish: St John the Evangelist, Lambeth
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: William Brooks (Starch Manufacturer)
Spouse Father: William Harris (Hair Roper?)
Register Type: Parish Register
Witnesses: James and Sarah Irshwood

Strange though Josiah says he is a widower in 1901

But his occupation is vastly out from his marriage of a hair roper so don't think it's the right Josiah

Possible for Ellen in 1871 census:-

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Falmouth Road, Newington, St Saviour Southwark, London, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

Ellen Harris Lodger - Female 28 1843 -

She is married and is living in Lambeth with George Grish and his wife Eliza. Ellen is a straw bonnet maker. No sign of Josiah though.

Kath. x

I can't seem to spot Josiah in 1871...1881 and 1891.

If she was actually 68 in 1911, she was quite a bit older than Edward Owen:

Just for helpers' reference:

Edward Anwyl Owen
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Edward Anwyl Owen
Age in 1911: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Flintshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Battersea
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 7 York Road, Battersea SW
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: DRAPER
Registration district: Wandsworth
Registration District Number: 26
Sub-registration district: North West Battersea
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Piece: 2207
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Anwyl Owen 44
Ellin Owen 55


Have you found Edward in 1901, to see what he says about his marital state?
(Not that it helps with your search for Ellen in earlier years.)

Are you sure about the 1901 you found for Helen Harris, boarder/housekeeper?

I wonder about this one - though she does say she's single:

Ellenor Brooks
in the 1901 England Census

Name: Ellenor Brooks
Age: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: London, England
Civil Parish: Woolwich
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas Charlton
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 19 Prospect Place
Condition as to marriage: S
Registration district: Woolwich
Sub-registration district: Woolwich
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 567
Folio: 139
Page Number: 18
Household schedule number: 121
Household Members:
Name Age
Ellenor Brooks 59 - aunt; draper <<<<<<<<<<<<
Fanny Brooks 28 - niece; draper's assistant; born Oxford

Just as an aside - I think Josiah's occupation at marriage (and that of his father) is Hair Dresser.
That's what his father's occ'n looks like, anyway, with the first s written as f.

If "Hair Dresser" was something to do with horse hair, not human hair, there's this Josiah in 1861:

Josiah Harris
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Josiah Harris
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: 1846
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Hannah Harris
Gender: Male
Where born: St Neots, Huntingdonshire, England
Civil Parish: Limehouse
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Stepney
Sub-registration district: Limehouse
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 189
Piece: 286
Folio: 46
Page Number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
Hannah Harris 43 - widow, laundress
Sarah A Harris 18 - daughter, laundress
Josiah Harris 15 - son, horse hair manufacturer <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
George Harris 13 - son, ditto
Eliza Harris 5 - daughter, scholar
William Gilbert 48 - boarder
Martha Gilbert 19 - boarder


EDIT:

No! Another good theory bites the dust.
In 1851 his father is Dennis.

It would help to able to find a Josiah Richard Harris in the 1851 or 1861 census with father William a Hair Roper........so that we could establish when and where he was born.

Not having any luck though. :-(

Edit: I have just double checked the occupations of Josiah and father William on the marriage record. ArgyllGran you could be right about their occupation being "Hair Dresser"......The "fs" looks to be the old version of "ss"

At least it clears up who she married.

Prickles.

Thank you very much for this. Josiah R HARRIS is a big breakthrough. By the way my 1901 Helen HARRIS is definitely correct. Living with Edw OWEN, my great uncle.

Hi Peter

Would you like me to send you the image of the marriage record.........or have you found it now?

Prickles.

this looks like ellen's death

Deaths Mar 1908
HARRIS Ellen 65 Southwark 1d 75

Ellen (Ellin) is on the 1911 census Malyon.......so that can't be her death.

i wonder if josiah harris went by he's second name richard

could this be his death

Deaths Jun 1879 (>99%)
Harris Josiah Richard 30 Stoke D. 5b 235