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I am trying to trace Richard (Dick) Davies born 1889, died 1969, also known as Dick Tyle Llwyd,, born Libanus , Breconshire, mother Eliza (Elizabeth) born 1847 died 1922.. Father died 1892 (first name unknown), My mother referred to him as Uncle Dick, but I cannot identify him as my grandmother's (Charlotte Davies) brother. I cannot find him in any of the census records so would appreciate any assistance. My mother was very fond of him so would love to find out the actual connection. He lived on a farm in Breconshire called Tyle Llwyd & had a sister called Bessie, born 1887, who married Tom Price & lived at Bailea Farm, Breconshire. I believe there should be 4 more siblings, but have no details.

This looks a possible

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Beiligwernfach, Cray, Brecknock, Breconshire, Wales

Jonathan Davies Head Married Male 40 1841 Agr Lab Carmarthenshire, Wales
Elisabeth Davies Wife Married Female 33 1848 Laborers Wife Brecknockshire, Wales
David Davies Son Single Male 10 1871 Scholar Brecknockshire, Wales
Rees Davies Son Single Male 7 1874 Scholar Brecknockshire, Wales
John Davies Son Single Male 2 1879 - Brecknockshire, Wales
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1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Beiligwern Fach, Castle Du Place, Devynnock, Brecknock, Breconshire, Wales

Jonathan Davies Head Married Male 50 1841 Highway Laborer Carmarthenshire, Wales
Elizabeth Davies Wife Married Female 43 1848 - Breconshire, Wales
David Davies Son - Male 9 1882 Scholar Breconshire, Wales
William Davies Son - Male 8 1883 Scholar Breconshire, Wales
Bessie Davies Daughter - Female 3 1888 - Breconshire, Wales
Richard Davies Son - Male 1 1890 - Breconshire, Wales


This death registration fits with the information that you give about his father


Deaths Mar 1892
Davies Jonathan 51 Brecknock 11b 78
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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Tylellwyd Farm Llanfrynach Breconshire, Llanfrynach, Breconshire, Wales

Elizabeth Davies Head Widow Female Farming 63 1848 Brecon Cray
David Davies Son Single Male Assisting On Farm 29 1882 Brecon Cray
William Davies Son - Male Assisting On Farm 28 1883 Brecon Cray
Elizabeth Davies Daughter - Female Dairy Work 23 1888 Brecon Cray
Richard Davies Son - Male Assisting On Farm 21 1890 Brecon Cray

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And here in 1939


Davies Household (3 People)
Tylellwyd Farm , Brecknock R.D., Breconshire, Wales

Richard Davies 14 Jul 1889 Male Farmer & Shepherd Single 13 1
Lewis Lewis 28 May 1871 Male Forestry Worker (Retired) Single 13 2
Brinley Davies 14 Mar 1920 Male Plaughman Single 13 3
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Many 'male' family friends were known as 'uncle' in the period that you refer to but were not always a 'blood' uncle. Looks like he died 17th Dec 1969. Below is a link to his probate record, you can send for his Will, if he left one

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=davies&yearOfDeath=1969&page=36#calendar

Photo of him here and a little about his life and family in this book:

http://www.llanfrynach-community.org.uk/public_html/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/WWBII-PDF.pdf

It mentions his brother David and nephew, Jonathan. It also mentions his sister Bessie and her husband Tom Phillips (Tom was the brother of Price Phillips).

This is his sister 1939 register:

Phillip Household (2 People) Bailea , Brecknock R.D., Breconshire, Wales

Elizabeth Phillip 06 Sep 1887 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Thomas Phillip 25 Jan 1888 Male Farmer Married
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If you are able to share details of your Mum perhaps we can work back to see if there's a connection.

I had several aunts and uncles who weren't relations, they were good friends of my parents. This maybe the case here.

The Brecon Radnor Express Carmarthen and Swansea…
2nd November 1916

Brecon Jumble Sales.
Mr David Davies, Tyle- llwyd, 10/6;

http://newspapers.library.wales/search/advanced

Chris :)

AQ

What a lovely find :-)

Gins- I thought so too- The amazing power of Google! :-D

Thank you for your help everyone certainly plenty for me to look into. I will keep you updated if your info helps me trace the connection.

Austin Q yes I have seen this publication which has proved most interesting, I also have a newspaper cutting about him from 1967, which my mum had, unfortunately I don't know what newspaper it is from but I think it is a farming or agricultural one.
My mum was born Ethel Mary Little in Treorchy, March 1915, her mum was Charlotte Davies, born 1882 in Pentre..
My mum often spoke of his horses & the foxes, she even had a full fox pelt which he gave her!

I'm guessing this is your mom and grandmother

1939 Register
Little Household (4 People)
5 St Gowan Avenue , Cardiff C.B., Glamorganshire, Wales

Ethel M Little 26 Mar 1915 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Single 134 4
Stuart C Little 22 Jan 1909 Male Departmental Buyer-Wholesale Drapery Married 134 1
Dulcie E Little 12 Jul 1906 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 134 2
Charlotte Little 15 Dec 1883 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed 134 3
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Marriages Mar 1908

DAVIES Charlotte Pontypridd 11a 845 (above)
LITTLE George Comley Pontypridd 11a 845
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I wonder if the connection is Jonathan (Richard's father) & John (Charlottes father) Needs investigating


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Llwynypia, Ystradyfodwg, Pontypridd, Glamorganshire, Wales


Johnathan Davies Boarder - Male 31 1840 <<<<<<<<< Are these two brothers?
John Davies Boarder - Male 30 1841 <<<<<<<<<<<<<

Thos Jones Boarder - Male 41 1830
Elizabeth Jones Servant - Female 15 1856 - Glamorgan, Wales
Thomas Morgan Head - Male 35 1836 - Glamorgan, Wales
Frances Morgan Wife - Female 33 1838 - Cardiganshire, Wales
William Morgan Son - Male 9 1862 - Glamorgan, Wales
Millicent Morgan Daughter - Female 4 1867 - Glamorgan, Wales
Winefred Morgan Daughter - Female 0 1871 - Glamorgan, Wales
Sarajaine Morgan Daughter - Female 7 1864 - Glamorgan, Wales

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1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Tireisha, Llandingat, Llandovery, Carmarthenshire, Wales

David Davies Male 40 1801 Carmarthenshire, Wales
Jane Davies Female 30 1811 Carmarthenshire, Wales
Mary Davies Female 11 1830 Carmarthenshire, Wales
Daniel Davies Male 10 1831 Carmarthenshire, Wales
David Davies Male 9 1832 Carmarthenshire, Wales
Isaac Davies Male 8 1833 Carmarthenshire, Wales
Rees Davies Male 6 1835 Carmarthenshire, Wales
Jonathan Davies Male 2 1839 Carmarthenshire, Wales <<<<<<<<<
John Davies Male 0 1841 Carmarthenshire, Wales <<<<<<<<<<<<<

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1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Tyrissah, Llandingat, Llandovery, Carmarthenshire, Wales

David Davies Head Married Male 49 1802 Farmer 36 Acres Cilycwm, Carmarthenshire, Wales <<<<Farmer 36 acres
Jane Davies Wife Married Female 40 1811 - Carmarthenshire, Wales
Jonathan Davies Son - Male 12 1839 - Carmarthenshire, Wales
John Davies Son - Male 10 1841 - Carmarthenshire, Wales
Anne Davies Daughter - Female 8 1843 - Carmarthenshire, Wales
Jane Davies Daughter - Female 7 1844 - Carmarthenshire, Wales
Evan Davies Son - Male 6 1845 - Carmarthenshire, Wales
Catherine Davies Daughter - Female 4 1847 - Carmarthenshire, Wales
Margaret Davies Daughter - Female 1 1850 - Carmarthenshire, Wales
Rachel Davies Daughter - Female 3 1848 - Carmarthenshire, Wales

Thank you, Gins, that's certainly a lot for me to look into, your help is most appreciated, Yes the 1939 entry, 5 St Gowan Avenue is my mum & grandma, Stuart was my mum's brother & Dulcie his wife. Stuart Comley Little was my granddad, although I never knew him as he died when my mum was a child.

Hi Maureen

If Stuart was your moms brother then he would have been your uncle and not your Grandfather.

Charlotte's husband would have been your (maternal) Grandfather: George Comley Little and he died in 1921 so your mom would have been a child. I guess it's just a simple mistake when you wrote the above, easily done with all this information flying at you!

Stuart died in 1993 so your mom would have been approx. 78yrs:


STUART COMLEY LITTLE

DOB 22 Jan 1909

Death quarter 4

Death year 1993

District SOUTH GLAMORGAN

District number8901A
Register numberA17A
Entry number145

Date of registration mm/yy 1293

County Glamorganshire
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(His wife, Dulcie Eileen Little died in 1995)


I forgot to say in my previous post. Searching census records, it looks like Charlottes father was 'John Davies' hence my hypothesise regarding the possible connection being Jonathan and John (brothers)

I'm having trouble working this back Gins- can you put the other census up that links Charlotte with father John (EDIT: I'm seeing a couple of possibilities).

This is Charlotte 1911:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
71 Dyfodwg St Treorchy Shop, Rhondda, Glamorganshire, Wales

George Comley Little Head Married Male Confectionery Salesman 42 1869 Kington Langley Wilts
Charlotte Little Wife Married Female Assisting In The Business 28 1883 Pentre Glam
Edgar Herman Little Son Single Male Coal Miner Hewer 14 1897 Glam Llantrissant
Harold George Little Son - Male School 9 1902 Glam Rnig
Stuart Comley Little Son - Male - 2 1909 Glam Pentre
Herbert Harington Little Son - Male - 0 1911 Glam Treorchy

AQ These are the two censuses that I was working with, of course they may not be correct.

Added: Charlotte' marriage certificate should confirm who her father was. Maureen, do you have the marriage certificate?


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Elizabeth Street, Ystradyfodwg, Pontypridd, Glamorganshire, Wales

John Davies Head Married Male 48 1843 Roadman Cardiganshire, Wales
Catherine Davies Wife Married Female 40 1851 - Tregaron, Cardiganshire, Wales
Thomas Davies Son Single Male 17 1874 Collier Cardiganshire, Wales
Elizabeth Davies Daughter Single Female 15 1876 - Cardiganshire, Wales
William D Davies Son - Male 12 1879 Scholar Cardiganshire, Wales
Mary Davies Daughter - Female 11 1880 Scholar Cardiganshire, Wales
Catherine A Davies Daughter - Female 10 1881 Scholar Cardiganshire, Wales
Charlotte Davies Daughter - Female 6 1885 Scholar Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales
Susannah Davies Daughter - Female 5 1886 Scholar Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan,
Beatrice Davies Daughter - Female 3 1888 Scholar Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales
Edith G Davies Daughter - Female 1 1890 - Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
28, Elizabeth Street, Ystradyfodwg, Pontypridd, Glamorganshire, Wales

John Davies Head Married Male 58 1843 Road Man For Urban District Cardiganshire, Wales
Catherine Davies Wife Married Female 50 1851 - Tregaron, Cardiganshire, Wales
Mary Davies Daughter Single Female 21 1880 - Aberystwyth, Cardiganshire, Wales
Charlotte Davies Daughter Single Female 17 1884 - Pentre, Glamorgan, Wales
Susannah Davies Daughter Single Female 16 1885 - Pentre, Glamorgan, Wales
Beatrice Davies Daughter - Female 13 1888 - Pentre, Glamorgan, Wales
Edith Davies Daughter - Female 11 1890 - Pentre, Glamorgan, Wales
Eleanor M Davies Daughter - Female 9 1892 - Pentre, Glamorgan, Wales
Olwen Davies Daughter - Female 5 1896 - Pentre, Glamorgan, Wales


NB: The above information is incorrect (after receiving a reply from Maureen)

Thank you for your assistance everyone. Yes Gins you are right my granddad was George Comley Little. think I made a typing error there!

There is an awful lot for me to follow up, hopefully I will track him down.

Hi Gins, my grandmothers father was David Davies not John so I don't think this is the correct thread, although there may be some connection, grateful for your assistance.

hi Austin Q, yes that is my grandparents in the 1911 census, they lived in Dyfodwg Street, I believe it was a general grocery shop, the only error is the youngest son his name was Hubert Harrington not Herbert.

So possibly Charlotte's family 1891:

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Llewelyn Street, Ystradyfodwg, Pontypridd, Glamorganshire, Wales

David Davies Head Married Male 55 1836 Grocer Myddfai, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Rachel Davies Wife Married Female 44 1847 - Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales
Mary Davies Daughter Single Female 21 1870 Assistant Grocer Treherbert, Glamorgan, Wales
David Davies Son Single Male 17 1874 Coal Collier Treherbert, Glamorgan, Wales
Elizabeth Davies Daughter Single Female 19 1872 Assisting In Housework Treherbert, Glamorgan,
Rachael Davies Daughter - Female 14 1877 Grocer Shop Assistant Pentre, Glamorgan,
Hannah M Davies Daughter - Female 12 1879 Scholar Pentre, Glamorgan, Wales
Charlotte Davies Daughter - Female 9 1882 Scholar Pentre, Glamorgan, Wales
John I Davies Son - Male 7 1884 Scholar Pentre, Glamorgan, Wales
John Roberts Servant - Male 12 1879 Errand Boy Caernarvonshire, Wales
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And Charlotte with her sister 1901:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
22, Marlborough Road, Cardiff, Roath, Glamorganshire, Wales

Thomas I Harrington Head Married Male 33 1868 Commercial Traveller Bransford, Worcestershire
Elizabeth Harrington Wife Married Female 28 1873 - Treherbert, Glamorgan,
Charlotte Davies Sister-In-Law Single Female 18 1883 Milliner Pentre, Glamorgan, Wales
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And Charlotte's parents 1901:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
23, Llewellyn Street, Ystradyfodwg, Pontypridd, Glamorganshire, Wales

David Davies Head Married Male 62 1839 Grocer Shopkeeper Myddfai, Carmarthenshire,
Rachel Davies Wife Married Female 50 1851 - Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales
Rachel Davies Daughter Single Female 23 1878 - Pentre, Glamorgan, Wales
Hannah Maria Davies Daughter Single Female 22 1879 - Pentre, Glamorgan,

Charlotte's family 1881:

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
61, Treharne Street, Ystradyfodwg, Pontypridd, Glamorganshire, Wales

David Davies Head Married Male 45 1836 Coal Miner Carmarthenshire, Wales
Rachel Davies Wife Married Female 36 1845 - Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales
Sarah Ann Davies Daughter Single Female 14 1867 Scholar Aberdare, Glamorgan,
Mary Davies Daughter Single Female 11 1870 Scholar Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan,
Elizabeth Davies Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Scholar Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan,
David Davies Son Single Male 7 1874 Scholar Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales
Rachel Davies Daughter Single Female 4 1877 - Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales
Hannah Maria Davies Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan,

and in 1871:

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Dumfries Street, Ystradyfodwg, Pontypridd, Glamorganshire, Wales

David Davies Head - Male 35 1836 - Carmarthenshire, Wales
Rachel Davies Wife - Female 25 1846 - Glamorgan, Wales
Sarah Ann Davies Daughter - Female 3 1868 - Glamorgan, Wales
Mary Davies Daughter - Female 1 1870 - Glamorgan, Wales
Benjamin Davies Lodger - Male 19 1852 - Glamorgan, Wales
Anne Evans Lodger - Female 23 1848 - Cardiganshire, Wales

AQ looks like you have the right family. I've added to my census information (above) to make it clear that it is NOT correct.

I'm still convinced that 'Richard' was merely known as 'uncle' and was not in fact a 'blood' uncle.

Am I right in thinking that 'Charlotte Little' died in 1922? I'm sure I've read that somewhere but I can't see her death? :-S