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Have been going around in circles trying to locate a birth record for my late mother. The birth information I have wasl provided by my late mother but none of it has helped at all. The mystery may exist because I was told by my dad (now also deceased) after mum's death that she gave birth to an illegitimate son during the second world war. Perhaps she changed her name to avoid any chance of being traced? However, mum gave the name in the subject box on her marriage to my father in 1954 so she must have produced a birth certificate at that time? Mum states her fathers name as Arthur Steeden on the marriage certificate and gives his profession as a social club proprietor (deceased). I recall from conversations many years ago that mum said she had siblings but that there had been a falling out and no contact had been maintained with them. I am now wondering if mum was illegitimate but knew her fathers' name and gave it at the time of her marriage but that still does not explain how she was able to provide a birth certificate in order to get married. Unless rules were a little elastic then!

Any help or advice that anyone can give would be very much appreciated.

Many thanks in advance.

Dorothy

you didnt have to produce a birth cert to get married ,thats why some folks told porkies sometimes :-(

Denning Household (5 People)
8 Willowbrook Road , Camberwell, London, England
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FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Lilian Steeden (Marriner,Denning) 03 Jan 1920 Female Laundry Hand Single 5 3
James Denning 11 Dec 1875 Male Market Porter (Covent General) Married 5 1
Beatrice Denning 25 Jun 1883 Female Laundry Hand Married 5 2
Gertrude Agnes (Gertie) Meekings (Earing) 26 Mar 1912 Female Restaurant - Counter Hand Single 5 4
Ellen (Rebe?) Denning (Earing) 03 Nov 1916 Female Laundry Hand Single 5 5

the lilian on this record has been tied to the Steeden name

Dorothy. What is your mothers maiden name on your birth certificate?
Maybe if you give more info, ie Mums DOB, where born , marriage , etc , others may be able to help you.
I am sure I had to produce my birth cert , when i got married in 1956, had to prove you where over 21, or if not had to have permission from Father

my husband didnt have to produce his when we married in 1957 i owned up to being 20 so had to have my father fill in a form giving his permission

there is a birth for a boy in 1940 Steeden mmn Steeden

Shirley, you may be right (a long time ago!) I also had to admit being under 21 , Diamond coming up in October!

ours is 59 on the 3rd August. sadly hubby isnt here to celebrate it as i lost him last Oct

another first coming up since he passed :-( <3

Deaths Dec 1926
Steeden Arthur E 56 Brentford 3a 118

Deaths Dec 1939
Steeden Arthur J 55 Kensington 1a 248

could your mother have been married before


Marriages Dec 1940 (>99%)

Crout Lilian M Steeden Westminster 1a 1127

this looks like the birth of lilian m crout


Births Dec 1919 (>99%)

Crout Lilian M Berwise Lambeth 1d 596

Is it just possible that Lilian was already married?????

urname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1940 (>99%)
Crout Lilian M Steeden Westminster 1a 1127
Steeden Walter A Crout Westminster 1a 1127

Birth is a year out but right area

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Dec 1919 (>99%)
Crout Lilian M Berwise Lambeth 1d 596

Andy

Wonder if this was her father? Not unusual to find an exaggerated occupation on a marriage certificate.


Lane Household (7 People)
The George & Dreyon Hotel , Tonbridge R.D., Kent, England


Arthur J Steeden
DOB 02 Apr 1884
SEX Male
OCCUPATION Catering Club Secretary
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 39
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 6

James F Lane
DOB 09 Feb 1893
SEX Male
OCCUPATION Hotel Keeper ( Licensed)
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 39
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 1

Alice E Lane
DOB 27 Dec 1895
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Unpaid Domestic Duties
MARITAL STATUS Single
SCHEDULE 39
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 2

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Elizabeth D W Lister
DOB 01 Dec 1912
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Hotel Assistant
MARITAL STATUS Single
SCHEDULE 39
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 7

Ref: RG101/1861G/005/10 Letter Code:
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Births Jun 1884 (>99%)
Steeden Arthur Joseph St. Saviour 1d 17

Arthur Joseph Steeden
Registration Year: 1906
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Southwark
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 306

Records on Page:
Name
Constance Annie Osborne
Gertrude May Porter
George Frederick Prior
Arthur Joseph Steeden

This looks to be the family in 1911 but why his wife is given as M. Steeden who's knows? (He's with Constance Steeden on 1928 ER).

A Steeden
Age in 1911: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Newington St Mary
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County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 13 Merrick Square, Borough S E
Occupation: DEALER
Registration district: Southwark
Registration District Number: 23
Sub-registration district: Newington North
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Piece: 1797
Household Members:
Name Age
A Steeden 27
M Steeden 25
W Steeden 3
S Steeden 2

Arthur Joseph Steeden
Probate Date: 3 May 1940
Registry: London, England
Death Date: 26 Nov 1939
Death Place: London, England


Probate granted to Edith Mary Steedon, widow.



Marriages Dec 1939
Day Edith M Steeden Westminster 1a 1668
Steeden Arthur J Day Westminster 1a 1668


Wonder what happened to Constance Annie, I can't find a death or remarriage for her.

15 Flart 1 Cresswell Gardens , Kensington, London, England

Edith M Carton (Steeden,Day)
DOB 07 Nov 1906
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Manageress Hotel Catering
MARITAL STATUS Single
SCHEDULE 184
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 1

Ref: RG101/0309H/011/03 Letter Code: AMCE
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Might be of interest?
Lancashire Evening Post 01 December 1931

DEFENDENT TO PAY £1 A MONTH ON JUDGEMENT SUMMONS.

Arthur Joseph Steeden, described as a secretary, of King St,
Covent Garden, was the defendent in a judgement summons
at Westminster County Court today, respecting £880 9s. 11d.
due to the Rev. William Henry Norris and Mrs. Susan May Norris,
his wife, of Longton Vicarage, Preston Lancashire.
Judge Sir Alfred Tobin: It is a large sum. How is it owing ?
Mr. F.H. Adams, solicitor: It is the result of a motor accidentand judgement for damages obtained in the High Court.
It was stated by Mr. Steeden that he was under the impression
that his policy of insurance covered the accident risk at the time,
but the insurance company repudiated it.
Judge Tobin: It is a very dreadful thing not being insured.
What can you do about it? Bad for you and for the unfortunate
clergyman and his wife who were injured.
Mr. Adams said that Mr. Steeden and his wife received £2. 10s.
a week at the club and had board and lodgings free.
Mr. Steeden: I can only offer a pound a month.
Judge Tobin: Pay one pound a month and no committal.

Dea x

That certainly seems to be the same man Dea. I only see a birth for one Arthur Joseph around that time. There is also a record of him going to and returning from South Africa. I note on the above that he is described as married and also on the 1939 register. I have found his probate and he had remarried in 1939. His son Walter is single and living with Arthur's mother in 1939. I just can't find anything on his first wife, no death or remarriage.

Name: Arthur Steeden
Age: 5
Birth Date: 1 Apr 1884
School: Galley Wall Road School
Borough: Southwark
Admission Date: 29 Apr 1889
Parent: Walter
Notes: Galleywall School (0359) opened in 1876. Remodelled in 1902. Became Galleywall Primary School in 1951
Reference Number: LCC/EO/DIV08/GAL/AD/003

Also with Brother Fred b. 24 Nov. 1885.

Both of 1 Cranley Rd.
Father Walter was a Packing Case Maker.

Dea x