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Wayne Kenneth
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10 Sep 2016 04:59 |
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I’ve a GG G.father, Thomas Best, who arrived in Melbourne, aboard the Omega, sailed from Plymouth on the 30th of Oct 1853, arrived Jan 1854, with his wife Ann(e) nee Jones, both described as of Cornwall. Ann died in 1865 and her death record gave her age as 40, inferring 1825 ( though her passenger records in 1853/54 say 26 ie 1827/28 ) , and married at age 21 to Thomas, so in the range 1846 to 1849, no children, born in Cornwall, & that her parents were William & Catherine. In 1866 Thomas remarried & in that record, his parents were given as Thomas Best & Elizabeth Andrews, his age as 45 ( 1821, matches with passenger record, age 34 ) and birth place as Cornwall. I’ve not been able to find any Marriage or Census record for Thomas & Ann, or indeed, any similar record for my 3 times Great G'parents William & Catherine Jones or Thomas Best & Wife Elizabeth ( nee Andrews ).. if anyone can see through the forest re these 3 couples, I’d be most appreciative.. I’ve all detail post arrival, just nothing prior.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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10 Sep 2016 05:37 |
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This looks like the marriage
THOMAS
Last name BEST
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1845
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ THOMAS BEST married one of these people
HANNAH DINNIS, ANNA DINNIS, PEGGYE ALLEN, PEGGY ALLEN, JANE JEWELL, ANN JOHNS >>>>>>>>>
District TRURO
District number -
County Cornwall
Country England
Volume 9
Page 348
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain
© brightsolid online publishing ltd
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10 Sep 2016 06:22 |
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The parents marriage?
Name Thomas BEST
Marriage year1808
Marriage date30 Jan 1808
ParishSt Michael Caerhays
PlaceST MICHAEL CAERHAYS
Groom's name Thomas BEST
Bride's name Elizabeth ANDREW
CountyCornwall
Record setCornwall Marriages
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Sons baptism
Name THOMAS BEST
Birth year 1819
Baptism date13 Jun 1819
Parish St Michael Caerhays
Father's name Thomas BEST
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Relationship Son
Place ST MICHAEL CAERHAYS
County Cornwall
Record se tCornwall Baptisms
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Chris Ho :)
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10 Sep 2016 07:17 |
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Baptism
Day Month 28-Feb
Year 1813
Parish Or Reg District Michael Caerhays, St.
Forename James
Surname BEST
Sex Son
Father Forename Thomas
Mother Forename Elizabeth
Residence Portholland
Father Rank Profession Husbandman
Day Month 02-Oct
Year 1837
Parish Or Reg District Michael Caerhays, St.
Groom Fn James
Groom Sn BEST
Groom Age Full age
Groom Residence Port Holland in St. Michael Carhayes
Groom Condition Bachelor
Groom Rank Profession Husbandman
Groom Signed / Marked (S/M) M
Groom Father Name Thomas
Groom Father Rank Profession Labourer
Bride Fn Mary Ann
Bride Sn JOHNS
Bride Age Full age
Bride Residence St. Michael Carhayes
Bride Condition Spinster
Bride Rank Profession Braider of net
Bride Signed / Marked (S/M) M
Bride Father Name James
Bride Father Rank Profession Fisherman
Banns / Licence (B/L) B
Witness Fn1 William
Witness Sn1 JOHNS
Witness Fn2 Thomassine
Witness Sn2 JOHNS
(also more relating, from below link)
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/
Chris :)
(if Ann below)
Baptism
Day Month 26-Nov
Year 1826
Parish Or Reg District Gerrans
Forename Ann Rogers
Surname JOHNS
Sex dau of
Father Forename William
Mother Forename Catherine
Residence Polkernick
Father Rank Profession Labourer
Baptism
Day Month 25-Sep
Year 1825
Parish Or Reg District Gerrans
Forename Catherine
Surname JOHNS
Sex dau of
Father Forename William
Mother Forename Catherine
Residence Polkernick
Father Rank Profession Labourer
1841 (Find My Past)
William Johns Male 40 1801 Cornwall, England
Catharine Johns Female 40 1801 Cornwall, England
Catharine Johns Female 15 1826 Cornwall, England
Ann Johns Female 14 1827 Cornwall, England
William Johns Male 9 1832 Cornwall, England
Joseph Cordes Male 15 1826 Cornwall, England
Street Purcurnick
Parish or township Gerrans
City or borough
County Cornwall
Registration district Truro
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 147
Book number 10
Folio number 22
Page number 13
(if Mother)
Burial
Day Month 01-Oct
Year 1882
Parish Or Reg District Gerrans
Forename Catherine
Surname JOHNS
Age 86
Residence Portcurnick Gerrans
Deaths Sep 1882 (>99%)
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Johns Catherine 86 Truro 5c 83
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~enggerop/burials_post_1813_h-m.htm
(also covers Gerrans, has a possible for William.1870)
1881 (Find My Past)
James Prime Head Married Male 57 1824 Farm Labourer Ruan Lanihorne, Cornwall, England
Catherine Prime Wife Married Female 56 1825 - Gerrans, Cornwall, England
Catherine Johns Wifes Mother Widow Female 86 1795 - Gerrans, Cornwall, England
House name Porthcurnick
Parish Gerrans
County Cornwall
Registration district Truro
Archive reference RG11
Piece number 2307
Folio 31
Page 21
Day Month 05-May
Year 1849
Parish Or Reg District Just in Roseland, St.
Groom Fn James
Groom Sn PRIME
Groom Age full
Groom Residence Gerrans
Groom Condition bachelor
Groom Rank Profession labourer
Groom Signed / Marked (S/M) m
Groom Father Name James
Groom Father Rank Profession labourer
Bride Fn Catherine
Bride Sn JOHNS
Bride Age full
Bride Residence Gerrans
Bride Condition spinster
Bride Rank Profession -
Bride Signed / Marked (S/M) m
Bride Father Name William
Bride Father Rank Profession labourer
Banns / Licence (B/L) -
Witness Fn1 William (mark of)
Witness Sn1 WESTCOTT
Witness Fn2 Wm
Witness Sn2 JOHNS
Other Information Gerrans Church taken down to be rebuilt
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Wayne Kenneth
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10 Sep 2016 08:09 |
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Many thanks.. Shirley / Gins.. the detail re the 1808 marriage of Thomas Best & Elizabeth Andrews, the 1819 baptism of Thomas are all great news. Thank you to Chris Ho though.. not sure re the Best / Johns marriage or the other references to Johns.. is that likely to be a transcription error as Thomas Best’s spouse was a Jones, by her death record, where the informant was Thomas so you’d imagine he had it right, at Jones not Johns. Regards all.
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Chris Ho :)
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10 Sep 2016 08:13 |
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(that James Best was his Brother, posted for reference, some more siblings for Thomas on Cornwall Link)
Chris :)
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Wayne Kenneth
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10 Sep 2016 08:26 |
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Thanks Chris Ho.. Some studying for me to do this evening.. what a Great resource this forum is.. so appreciated.
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Chris Ho :)
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10 Sep 2016 08:53 |
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(wasn't below was it?, different to your reference, probably more from google search)
Chris :)
1854 Omega - (Date of Departure) Jan 4 (Date of Arrival) 4 May
Year 1854
Forename Thomas
Surname BEST
Parish Or Reg District Cornwall
Destination Australia, Victoria
Age 34
Occupation Ag laborer
Notes Source: Australia, Victoria, Assisted & Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839-1923
Year 1854
Forename Anne
Surname BEST
Parish Or Reg District Cornwall
Destination Australia, Victoria
Age 26
Occupation
Notes Source: Australia, Victoria, Assisted & Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839-1923
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/
(under Extra Searches)
Search Emigrants)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/search?adv=y
(Shipping Arrivals usually found on above, Newspapers)
Edits (although from British Newspapers, below)
15 October 1853 - Canterbury Journal, Kentish Times and Farmers
NAVAL INTELLIGENCE
Deal
Winds N.NE, Oct. 10th
Sailed the Omega for Melbourne
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Wayne Kenneth
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10 Sep 2016 09:27 |
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That’s them Chris Ho.. though the original of the Omega’s passenger list details it sailing from Plymouth on the 30th of Oct 1853, arriving Melbourne 17th of Jan 1854..( 4th, my error in reading the scan ) Thomas & Anne Best, 34 & 26, being the first two listed ( alpha ).. As you note though.. http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/aust1850s.shtml#victoria says 30 Jan – 4 May. A good exercise though as it made me look at the original of the passenger manifest.. 30 Oct – 4 Jan seemed very fast.. I think now, that it actually reads as arrival on the 17th of Jan 1854.. and to support this, in Trove's digital copy of the Argus Newspaper of the 26th of Jan, the Omega is recorded as being moored in “Hobson’s Bay and the River, January 25th 1854”. The “theshipslist.com” reference would seem then, to be in error, or a like named vessel.
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10 Sep 2016 09:38 |
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(oh well done for checking on that, afraid Parlympics are on till early hours of morning here, and me eyeballs are not as focussed as they should be on here first thing!, lol)
Chris :)
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10 Sep 2016 09:53 |
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I would guess that the name 'Jones' may have been either a mis-transcription or misheard when entering the details on the death certificate?
These people are living on the same street in 1851. William and Catherine could well be Ann's parents
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Porthcurnick, Gerrans, Truro, Cornwall, England
Thomas Best Head Married Male 30 1821 Agr Labourer Cornwall, England
Ann Best Wife Married Female 24 1827 - Gerrans, Cornwall, England
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1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Porthcurnick, Gerrans, Truro, Cornwall, England
William Johns Head Married Male 55 1796 Agr Labourer Gerrans, Cornwall, England
Catherne Johns Wife Married Female 51 1800 - Ladock, Cornwall, England
Jane Rogers Lodger Widow Female 85 1766 Pauper Cornwall, England
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Last name William JOHNS
Marriage year1825
Marriage date2 Apr 1825
Parish Gerrans
Place GERRANS
Groom's name William JOHNS
Bride's name Catherine ROGERS
Record set Cornwall Marriages
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Wayne Kenneth
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10 Sep 2016 13:17 |
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Have worked through the detail that you folks so kindly and so quickly provided and it all adds up.. as suggested, Johns became Jones on Ann's Death record.. perhaps a result of her husbands, the informants, Cornish accent.. Just moments ago, after writing it all up, downloading census copies etc.. I went back and had a look, again, at the Omega's passenger list and found there , one last piece that confirms the Johns surname for Ann Rodgers Johns / Best.. her brother William, the 9 year old from the 1841 Census, appears also, in the Omega’s passenger list for the 17th Jan 1854 arrival in Melbourne, as a 22 year old, accompanied by presumably his wife, 22 year old Elizabeth.. so more for me to do with this twig yet but again.. Many Thanks to All as I had been stalled on the “Jones” for quite some time. ( perhaps I'd better look at that passenger list again )
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10 Sep 2016 18:10 |
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Baptism
Day Month 26-Feb
Year 1832
Parish Or Reg District Gerrans
Forename William
Surname JOHNS
Sex son of
Father Forename William
Mother Forename Catherine
Residence Polkernick
Father Rank Profession Labourer
(Single, 1851, Gerrans)
Marriages Dec 1853 (>99%)
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Grigg Amelia Truro 5c 380
Johns William Truro 5c 380
Tippett Elizabeth Truro 5c 380
Vivian Thomas Truro 5c 380
(a possible above, Thomas with wife Amelia 1861)
Chris :)
(possibly Elizabeth Tippett on 1851, Niece to below couple)
Day Month 01-Jan
Year 1814
Parish Or Reg District Gerrans
Groom Fn John
Groom Sn JOHNS
Groom Age
Groom Residence otp
Groom Condition bachelor
Groom Rank Profession
Groom Signed / Marked (S/M) S
Groom Father Name
Groom Father Rank Profession
Bride Fn Mary Ann
Bride Sn MUSHALL
Bride Age
Bride Residence otp
Bride Condition spinster
Bride Rank Profession
Bride Signed / Marked (S/M) S
Bride Father Name
Bride Father Rank Profession
Banns / Licence (B/L) B
Witness Fn1 Malachi
Witness Sn1 LASKEY
Witness Fn2 Wm.
Witness Sn2 MENNEAR
(also has William/Catherine Marriage)
Possible for 1841, Elizabeth with Mother Sally
Baptism
Day Month 27-Mar
Year 1832
Parish Or Reg District Perranzabuloe
Forename Elizabeth
Surname TIPPETT
Sex dau
Father Forename John
Mother Forename Sally
Residence Callestock
Father Rank Profession husbandman
Emigration database
Year 1854
Forename Elizabeth
Surname JOHNS
Parish Or Reg District Cornwall
Destination Australia, Victoria
Age 22
Occupation
Notes Source: Australia, Victoria, Assisted & Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839-1923
Edits
JOHNS
Given names John
Event Birth
Father's name / Spouse's family name William
Mother's maiden name / Spouse's given name Elizabeth (Tippett)
Reg. year1860
Reg. no19467
http://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/home/family+history/search+your+family+history/
(adding above for Birth Source, but am sure you are well aware!, so much for Aus. online)
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Wayne Kenneth
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11 Sep 2016 02:06 |
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Hi Chris Ho.. a quick update. The Death Record of Elizabeth Hannah Johns, nee Tippet, gives her parents as Thomas Henry Tippet & Julia Harvey
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11 Sep 2016 06:56 |
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so would fit below then perhaps, others Baptisms etc. relating on below...
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/
Chris :)
Baptism
Day Month 02-Jun
Year 1833
Parish Or Reg District Paul
Forename Elizh Anna
Surname TIPPET
Sex dau
Father Forename Thomas
Mother Forename Hulia
Residence Bussavah
Father Rank Profession Labourer
(Find My Past also has Cornwall Records, Julia for Mother on there)
Burial
Day Month 18-Mar
Year 1860
Parish Or Reg District Paul
Forename Julia
Surname TIPPETT
Age 52
Residence Cloggy Moor
1841 (Find My Past)
Thomas Tippet Male 35 1806 Cornwall, England (Ag. Lab.)
Julia Tippet Female 35 1806 Cornwall, England
Elizabeth Tippet Female 12 1829 Cornwall, England
Emily Tippet Female 8 1833 Cornwall, England
Margaret Tippet Female 6 1835 Cornwall, England
Eliza Tippet Female 3 1838 Cornwall, England
Julia Tippet Female 0 1841 Cornwall, England
Street Sheffield
Parish or township Paul
County Cornwall
Registration district Penzance Union
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 143
Book number 10
Folio number 45
Page number 3
1851 (Find My Past)
Thomas Tippet Head Married Male 46 1805 Agl Lab Paul, Cornwall, England
July Hannah Tippet Wife Married Female 42 1809 - Paul, Cornwall, England
Thomas Henry Tippet Son Unmarried Male 23 1828 Agl Lab Paul, Cornwall,
July Annah Tippet Daughter Unmarried Female 12 1839 Errand Girl Paul, Cornwall, England
Richard James Tippet Son - Male 6 1845 - Paul, Cornwall, England
William Tippet Son - Male 4 1847 - Paul, Cornwall, England
House name Kerris Vean
Parish Paul
County Cornwall
Parliamentary borough Parish Paul
Registration district Penzance
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 1918
Folio 350
Page 36
Day Month 10-Feb
Year 1827
Parish Or Reg District Paul
Groom Fn Thomas
Groom Sn TIPPET
Groom Residence otp
Groom Signed / Marked (S/M) S
Bride Fn Julia
Bride Sn HARVEY
Bride Residence Madron
Bride Condition
Bride Rank Profession
Bride Signed / Marked (S/M) M
Banns / Licence (B/L) B
Witness Fn1 Thos.
Witness Sn1 TIPPETT, Snr
Witness Fn2 Richd.
Witness Sn2 PENTREATH
(just to add, always worth a googlre earch of names, places etc., all sorts relating comes up sometimes!)
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