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The Philip Scott who arrived in New York in Oct 1910 couldn't have been the father of a child who was born in August 1911.

However, it does fit with the Philip Scott born 1883 in Tipperary, Ireland.

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Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Transcription

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First name(s) P
Last name SCOTT
Title MR
Gender Male
Marital status M
Occupation MANAGER
Departure year 1911
Departure day 12
Departure month 10
Departure port LIVERPOOL
Destination port BOMBAY
Destination BOMBAY
Country INDIA
Destination country INDIA
Ship name CITY OF BENARES
Ship official number 114004
Ship master's last name ELLIOTT
Shipping line HALL LINE LTD
City LIVERPOOL
Ship destination port KARACHI
Ship destination country PAKISTAN
Ship registered tonnage 4465.80
Number of passengers 94
Record set Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger lists
Collections from Australasia, Great Britain, Ireland

AG ...............


that's why I'm wondering if it was just a story he told.


I didn't put a date when asking from Phil*ip Scott going to or from India, so it should have brought up travels before and after 1911.

ah .............

I hadn't however got as far as looking for P or no initial Scott

Possibly the same man??
In the column for occupation, "Ladies and Gentlemen" is written against the whole list of names.

Mr P Scott
in the UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name: Mr P Scott
Gender: Male
Departure Date: 8 May 1901
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Bombay, India
Ship Name: Persia
Master: W A Wheler


Or maybe not - this time travelling with a wife and 2 infants:

Mr P Scott
in the UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name: Mr P Scott
Gender: Male
Departure Date: 12 Oct 1905
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Bombay, India
Ship Name: Macedonia
Master: Captain C D Bennett

pm received from Philip, with the following information ...........

This is the first time in many years researching that I have seen reference to the birth of Mabel Spooner's first child Alice.

She was known to me as Peggy ( Margaret ) so Alice came to me as a surprise. It is correct though because they are both on the 1911 census
( no Phillip at home on census night)
I am so pleased to learn of this

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we do have the correct family

Philip

what do you know about Margaret/Peggy????


An Alice A Scott married George H Fearon in the Sept quarter 1929 ........

Marriages Sep 1929 (>99%)
Scott Alice A Fearon Liverpool 8b 171


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1929

SCOTT Alice A FEARON George H Toxteth Park, St. Bede, Toxteth Park Liverpool 2049TP/3/81


Alice A Fearon and George H Fearon are on the 1939 Register

Fearon Household (2 People) 67 Vandyke Street , Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England
Alice H Fearon 13 Mar 1909 Unpaid Dom Duties
George H Fearon 04 Mar 1909 Gas Meter Maker & C? Metal Worker

It looks more like A than H on the image


Is this your father's sister?

maybe not ..............

there is another Alice Ann Scott seemingly born Liverpool 1909 who was a patient in the Liverpool Workhouse on the 1911 Census. No parent with her, and birth place unknown

Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1909

SPOONER Alice Wallasey Wirral WAL/105/92

http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/index.php


Births Mar 1910 (>99%)
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SPOONER Alice Birkenhead 8a 510

(wondering about above?)

Chris :)

Edits (looking at things google search, Birthdate 17/9/1882 for Mabel, from a connection to Laindon Spooners) (no help with 1939?)

Thanks for your further information
Alice (Peggy ) Scott married Edward Wallace in London, so no relation to Fearon family. I knew them both well.

Thanks again

philip

Philip ,


When did Alice (Peggy) Wallace pass away,?

and have you given ay thought to getting her marriage certificate to clarify who is listed as her father.?--although nothing for Edward Wallace to Alice Scott seems to be showing that I can see in any county.

Edit,

Although Spooner may appear on the birth cert it may not have been the surname of any marriage if the woman had been married before,,,also *nee *Spooner would indicate not married,**formally** indicates married.if correct details were given on registration.

PM from Philip:

Thanks for all your research. As far as I know and its only hearsay, is that he would have travelled between the census 1901-9111. There is a record of him on SS City of Benares Liverpool-Bombay 1911. Perhaps he never came back. I've checked with the India Library but no trace
Thanks

Philip

PMs received from Philip:-

Catherine
Thanks for your question. My father (Squire)He had a sister Alice listed on the 1911 census. This was a surprise as I had always known my Aunt as Peggy (Margaret) but her birth year is correct.
Looking forward to any information you may have
Thanks
Philip
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Catherine
Thanks for this further information which I found many years ago. It was my red herring. It fitted perfectly.I even visited the address in St Pancras.
I was encouraged by the name McCarthy as There was a McCarthy working with the Spooner family in Mucking Essex on the 1901. I imagined Phillip having a trip to the farm to visit his cousin.

Some of the information may be misleading because the reationship with Mabel Spooner was most likely posted by myself and I have overlooked to correct it.

Thanks again
Philip
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Catherine
yes this is my father and mother at their first home in Blackpool.

Your previous question about india & the textile trade. I only have family hearsay to back this up and their is prescious little of that, although Mabel told my Aunt not to enquire after him as nothing good would come of it. Like he was in prison or indeed gone to India . There is a record of a P. Scott &wife & child leaving Liverpool for Bombay in Oct 1911 on the SS City of Benares but he would have needed another family for this to be him but you never know!

Philip

Could perhaps have been them on Ship 'Benares', left Liverpool 12/10/1911 (Occupation as Manager) although Squire Scott would have been born, hmm!...

The 1911 Census was taken 2nd April.

Chris :)

Sylvia
Yes this is the marriage of my father to Audrey Lucas in 1936. I do not have the certificate but I am sure it would state decd for my Grandfather Phillip. I will check

Thanks for your help

pm from Philip:-

Hello again Catherine
I suspect the Irish Phillip who sailed to New York from Tilbury are one and the same.I don't now think this was my grandfather although it would have been very tidy.

Thanks for your help

Philip

Squire, I wonder if Squire links to other Squire Scotts from.

1843 through to 1904 and the one in 1911 Philips father.

Its an unusual christian name to pluck out of thin air and one I imagine given from a family link.?

One was born in 1871 a few years older than Mabel.

Kay ..........

Squire was a common forename in Lancashire!

There was a boy called Squire in the same class in primary school with me in the late 1940s, and I knew of about half-a-dozen others!


It was also a common nickname between men or between fathers and sons .....

...... men would call each other "Squire", as in "How's it doing, Squire?" and the reply would be "Fine, Squire" :-D

kay

I have also looked for other Squire Scotts thinking one may be Phillip's father. Skipping a generation. As a matter of interest my father was actually known asTim !
Was the one you found in1871 from Ashton?

Thanks again

Philip

Kay

The details of the marriage of Peggy to Robert E Wallace indicate it took place in Barnet in 1938 Her name was Margaret Scott.

I don't imagine the actual certificate would shed any light on her father as her brother's cetificate only has the name Phillip Scott

Thanks for your interest in these details

Philip