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Please could I ask someone to check some passenger lists for me. I am specifically looking for the following people:

Lillie (Lillian) Williams (b1876 Glasgow)
Mary Williams (b1878 Shanghai).
Mabel Pearson (b1880ish, Shanghai)
Ada Pearson (b1882ish, Middlesex London).
Annie Pearson (b1852, Carnarvon, Wales)
Arthur Pearson (b1888 ish I believe in Shanghai)
Minnie Nelson (b1873 Shanghai)

I believe the Williams and the Pearsons all arrived into the Port of London, and I am wondering if Minnie Nelson was travelling with them.

I beleive they will have sailed from Shanghai but realise that this voyage could have taken them via the US or Canada

I am specifically trying to find the passage from Shanghai to the UK, before 1891 please.

I have no idea how to go about finding this information and only have basic membership so if anyone can help point me in the right direction I would appreciate it.

Many, many thanks

Vicki

Starting from https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_STATES

Whether this is your guy, I don't know yet (I think so), but 1910 has Hywell Evans, a=32, machinist, immig 1905, boarding in Boston
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M223-WTB [with image link]

1920 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MVSC-KHQ [with image link]

1930 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7HF-CPP [with image link]

Event Place Auburn, Cayuga, New York, United States
Howell Evans Head M 50 Wales Widowed
John L Evans Son M 16 Pennsylvania
Roger B Evans Son M 13 Pennsylvania
Azale Filion Lodger F 49 New York


1940 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KQLH-R6T [with image link]
Event Place Ward 9, Auburn, Auburn City, Cayuga, New York, United States
It looks like the family were missed off the census, but at the last moment Roger got enumerated.
He gives his addy as 232 Genesee, says he's the son to the head of h/h, and the enumerator has identified his family as # 129.
But when we go to family 129 - one of 2 h/h's enumerated at 232 W Genesee St, Roger's dad (and any other family) are absent. See:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89MY-5JR4?i=10&cc=2000219


https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N4FF-24J [with image link]
Name Hywel Evans
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 21 Jun 1911
Event Place , , Massachusetts, United States [Roxbury]
Registration Place Boston, , Massachusetts
Gender Male
Age 35
Birth Date 1876
Birth Year (Estimated) 1876
Birthplace , , Wales Great Britain
Father's Name Richard Evans
Mother's Name Margaret Rogers
Spouse's Name Isabelle D Weltin
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Age 34
Spouse's Birth Date 1877
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1877
Spouse's Birthplace Boston, ,
Spouse's Father's Name Charles Weltin
Spouse's Mother's Name Sebina U Stone
Page 149
Number of Images 1

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N4DC-DXJ [with image link]
Spouse's Mother's Name Sebina W Stone - image says Sebina U Stone


There are 2 difft marr records - they appear to be registrations, rather than the original marr cert.

I checked out the two images (ordered as above)

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6723-28H?mode=g&i=470&cc=1469062
Massachusetts Marriages, 1841-1915 004329367 Image 471 of 1207
Massachusetts Marriages, 1841-1915
Line Number 3401
Reference ID p 149 no 3401
GS Film Number 002409942
Digital Folder Number 004329367
Image Number 00471

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XXD2-VJ
Massachusetts Marriages, 1841-1915 004329366 Image of 1214
Massachusetts Marriages, 1841-1915
Line Number 133
Reference ID p 104 no 133
GS Film Number 002409904
Digital Folder Number 004329366
Image Number 01042

I checked out the film numbers in the FS catalog, but I'm none the wiser:

Massachusetts vital records [deaths, births, marriages] 1911-1915
Authors:
Massachusetts. State Archives (Main Author)
Massachusetts. State Archives (Repository)
Format:Manuscript/Manuscript on Film
Language:English
Publication:Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 2005-2006
Physical:171 microfilm reels ; 35 mm.
References:
(Digital Collection) Massachusetts, births, 1841-1915 / Massachusetts. State Archives
(Digital Collection) Massachusetts, deaths, 1841-1915 / Massachusetts. State Archives
(Digital Collection) Massachusetts, marriages, 1841-1915 / Massachusetts. State Archives

Film Notes
Note Location Collection/Shelf Film/DGS Format
Marriages 1911: v. 602 Barnstable to Essex (from p. 637) ; v. 603 Franklin to Middlesex ; v. 604 Nantucket - Plymouth - Worcester (to p. 271). Family History Library United States & Canada Film 2409904

Marriages 1911: v. 604 Nantucket - Plymouth - Worcester (from p. 271) ; v. 605 Boston to Winthrop. Family History Library United States & Canada Film 2409942 Items 1 - 2

Many thanks mgnv- that information is great, really appreciate it

What else is know for definite about Annie Pearson?, where, when and who did she Marry, when did he die?...

Captain William Wiliams, when did he die?, lots coming up in newspapers...(seems a few of them!)

On Army Records for Arthur John Pearson (on one page, refers to Annie as stepmother)...she then seems to be in Anglesey, is that with Minnie and Thomas?...

Was she a guardian of Minnie?...

If looking at things Swedish, then Nelson could be Neilson etc...

So many names and families, and looking around on google, other 'Threads' about too...


Cotton, Drapers and Captains, all seeming to link to Liverpool...


UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 (Ancestry)

(you need to look on above, but, beware of Surname variants, if they are on there)

Those names of vessels you have, 'Sattara' etc. references usually found on google search, and Newspapers.

Chris :)

Thanks Chris, really appreciate the advice. Unfortunately I don't know the exact date of marriage of Captain Williams and Annie Rogers but I believe it was aboard her fathers ship, the age Glenmanna I think it was called. I have no idea if he died or they seperated. All I know about the second marriage is the name Pearson. In this magazine memoir I have it simply refers to him as Mr Pearson. I think I did find some births though way back for the girls so I will try and get back to that and order a birth certificate.

As I said it is a complicated family. Annie Pearson I think did have a lot to do with Minnie and in the early 1900's she moved back to Wales. Minnie died in 1919 leaving 3 young children and a seafaring husband. It was always a family wink, wink story that a 'cousin' moved into Minnie's and Thomas Rogers Evans' house with her young children to look after them all whilst Thomas was away at sea. It turns out it was true and this cousin was Mary Williams - Annie's daughter and Thomas' cousin but it seems she was also a very good friend of Minnie's, as they grew up together in Shanghai.

I will try and look at the UK passenger lists but unless I am doing something wrong I didn't seem to be able to actually access them on a basic ancestry membership.

I don't see any of the above entering the UK- they might be mistranscibed, or entered as initials? It's hard - as you say, they wouldn't be travelling to the UK direct from China.

It's likely that Mabel returns to Shangai in 1905- (it doesn't look like she is travelling with family). On her marriage her father is listed as James (deceased).

Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
First name(s) M
Last name PEARSON
Title MISS
Gender Female
Marital status S
Departure year 1905
Departure day 20
Departure month 9
Departure port SOUTHAMPTON
Destination port SHANGHAI
Destination SHANGHAI
Country CHINA
Destination country CHINA
Ship name SACHSEN
Ship master's first name F V LETTEN
Ship master's last name PETERSSEN
City SOUTHAMPTON
Ship destination port JAPAN
Ship destination country JAPAN
----------------------------------------------

Marriage:
Name: Mabel Elinor Pearson
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1880
Marriage Age: 26
Marriage Date: 22 Nov 1906
Marriage Place: Shanghai, China
Event Type: Marriage
Father: James Pearson (Deceased)
Spouse: Richard Millard Johns
Spouse Gender: Male
Spouse Marriage Age: 27
Father-in-Law: Richard John Edwin Johns
--------------------------------------

Marriage for Ada:

Name: Ada Elizabeth Pearson
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1882
Marriage Age: 25
Marriage Date: 11 Jun 1907
Marriage Place: Shanghai, China
Event Type: Marriage
Father: James Thomas Pearson (Deceased)
Spouse: Guy Victor Watson Paul
Spouse Gender: Male
Spouse Marriage Age: 31
Father-in-Law: Ernest Watson Paul

You psychic or what AQ, lol...(been sitting here looking for that Marriage, found Ada E with Daughter Margaret Fawdry, 1939 (Meldreth, Cambs.) (Birthdate 13 Dec. 1881, for Ada)

Well Done on that.

(Watson Paul, given on Army Records of Arthur John Pearson, also Mabel Johns, Dairen? Manchuria?, China?)


https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar#calendar

(Probate Ada W Paul on above, 1961 Surrey)


http://naval-history.net/xDKCas1919b.htm

(Tuesday, 19 August 1919
Egmont, Malta
WATSON-PAUL, Guy V, Lieutenant, RNR, illness)

http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/116679/WATSON-PAUL,%20G%20V


Marriages Jun 1934 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Fawdry Edward J Watson Paul Holborn 1b 1013
Paul Margaret K W Fawdry Holborn 1b 1013
Watson-Paul Margaret K Fawdry Holborn 1b 1013
Wright Kathleen M Heazell Holborn 1b 1013


Pearson Arthur John 1887 - 1914 British Army Service Records Seacombe, Cheshire, England (Find My Past)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/records_office/thread/1188445

Chris :)

(does Victoria already have all this?)

I suspect she does- but I'm trying to get my head round the family!

This is likely Annie and Arthur returning to China (perhaps after dropping the girls in Wales?)

Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Names (s) ANNIE PEARSON (married adult)
name(s) ARTHUR PEARSON (child between 1- 12 years)
Gender Male
Occupation NIL
Departure year 1891
Departure day 9
Departure month 9
Departure port LONDON
Destination port SHANGHAI
Destination SHANGHAI
Country CHINA
Destination country CHINA
Ship name GLENSHIEL
Ship master's last name JONES
Shipping line GLEN LINE OF STEAMERS VIA SUEZ CANAL
City LONDON
Ship destination port SHANGHAI
Ship destination country CHINA

I'm not seeing Lillie Williams birth in Glasgow

EDIT:

Lilian was Annie Lilian:
Birth on Scotland's people:

WILLIAMS ANNIE LILLIAN F 1876 563/ 7 Erskine
-----------------------------

and for ref. 1911:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
39 Parkside Seacombe Cheshire, Poulton cum Seacombe, Cheshire, England

John Rogers Parry Head Married Male Clerk At The Cotton Associ Liverpool 42 1869 Llanfechell Anglesey
Annie Lillian Parry Wife Married Female - 35 1876 Lancs Glasgow
Lillian Maisie Parry Daughter - Female School 14 1897 Seacombe Cheshr
John Studley Parry Son - Male School 6 1905 Seacombe Cheshr
Annie Pearson Mother In Law Widow Female - 60 1851 Carnarvon Bangor N Wales
Arthur John Pearson Brother In Law Single Male Clerk In Cotton Office 24 1887 Shanghai China Resident

(Annie Lilian & John Rogers Parry married 15 years- 2 children still living)

Annie Rogers husband was William Williams (Captain- merchant service).

Annie Lilian's birth cert said her parents married in 1873 in Li?pore? EDIT: Liverpool? (although not seeing marriage- perhaps this is where they docked after marrying on board ship?)

On the birth cert it is a little strange as it says under informant:

Grace Rogers
(possibly) New (or now?) Mother of the Child
Not present

Oh wow, this is amazing - I don't have any of the latter information! The granddaughter of Mary Williams is still alive and has never known much about her grandmothers life so will be so pleased with this new information, so, so grateful

AustinQ Grace Rogers (nee Samuels) is Annie Rogers (Williams/Pearson) mother, so she is the grandmother of the child not the mother.

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3607299/3607307/120/

(2nd February 1906)

(Death above not James Thomas Pearson is it?, mention of Shanghai)

Deaths Mar 1906 (>99%)
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Pearson James Thomas 65 Holyhead 11b 377


https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#calendar

(on above, 1906 as James Thomas, probate to Annie Pearson)


England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995 (Ancestry)

(above also)

Chris :)

Chris - and again thank you!

The more I think about it, the more I am sure that before I found a record of the marriage on board ship for William Williams and Annie Rogers so am now looking back - my advice to anyone is not to take 6 years off from researching your family tree as it is a nightmare trying to remember and find all the bits of info!

Chris, I think the death you found in the newspaper is our man as the whole family were based in Anglesey and it isn't a big place, and matches the address on the will/probate.

If the place of marriage (Li?pore) is actually Singapore, you might find the marriage at the GRO (or maybe SP - I'm not clear of nationality of father)

At SP, Foreign Returns include ... the Register of Marriages in Foreign Countries, which comprises marriages of Scottish persons (1860 - 1965).
You used to have to set the county to minor records in the marr search screen.

There were no marrs on British ships from 1837 on until abt 10 y ago.
The law was changed then to allow marrs on vessels in Scottish inshore waters - the marr would be rego'ed with the nearest onshore civil parish

I think the marriage is stated as Liverpool June 1873

Possibly this marriage- not Liverpool but likely:

First name(s) ANNIE
Last name ROGERS
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1873
MarriageFinder™ ANNIE ROGERS married one of these people
WILLIAM WILLIAMS, JOHN BAKER
District WIRRAL
County Cheshire
Country England
Volume 8A Page 617

(getting a bit spooky this AQ, lol, just saw below)

Chris :)

Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1871 to 1875

WILLIAMS William ROGERS Annie Bebington, St Andrew Wirral BK58/3/54

http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/index.php

Diocese of Chester parish registers of marriages c1538-1910 Transcription
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First name(s) Annie
Last name Rogers
Age 36y
Marriage year 1873
Marriage date 19 Jul 1873
Marriage place Bebington
Spouse's first name(s) William
Spouse's last name Williams
Spouse's age 22y
Bride's father's name Hugh Rogers
City or town Bebington
County Cheshire
Country England
Reference item 1 p 27
Record set Cheshire Diocese of Chester parish marriages 1538-1910
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain

wiliam is a widower and a master mariner

hugh is a master mariner