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Peter went on to marry in Canada in 1957, apparently having to leave the Mounties to do so. So it would perhaps be the reason that Vera returned as Peter had met someone over there.

As mentioned earlier in the thread Peter went to Canada on the 27th of Dec 1952 on the Scythia, and Vera is not on the same passenger list, so she must have known Peter quite well (??? romantically) to have gone out in 1954 to Canada.
Steve

Hi ErikaH
The 1939 register listing that you have is the correct Peter Hebblethwaite, my uncle, and I agree the Cooke connection seems to be a coincidence. The officially closed record is my aunt who is still alive and was born in 1934.

So my Harold Cooke / Winifred Townsend (Peter's Uncle and Aunt) are a red-herring as regards Vera.

Steve

1939 for Peter - whose MOTHER was a Cooke before marriage


Westcliffe House Church Road, Basford R.D., Nottinghamshire, England
Cyril G Hebblethwaite 15 Sep 1890 Male Traveller Commercial Oil Married 101 1
Gwendoline M Hebblethwaite 17 Dec 1901 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 101 2
Peter Hebblethwaite 15 Mar 1930 Male At School Single 101 3
Betty Andrews (Hebbletthwait) 13 May 1931 Female At School Single 101 4
The record for this person is officially closed. Can I get around this?

It is certainly the same PH, but the Cooke connection is not relevant, as far as I can see

Have just read your reply re Harry Cooke I don’t think it’s the same Harry Cooke as my Grandfather But who knows Without doing any researching

As far as I know my Vera Wilson nee Cooke went out to join Peter Hebblethwaite, After Peter was there in Canada And for some reason came back to England later
Bye for now Olive

That's the one I thought it could be.


??

Muriel R Townsend
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Muriel R Townsend
Registration Date: Apr 1957
[May 1957]
[Jun 1957]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Chesterfield
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Spouse: Patrick A T Hartshorne
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 310

Ms Muriel Ruth Hartshorne
in the England and Wales, Death Index, 1989-2018
Name: Ms Muriel Ruth Hartshorne
Gender: Female
Age: 73
Birth Date: 1934
Last Residence: Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
Postal Code District: NG6
Death Date: 10 Aug 2007


Patrick Allen T Hartshorne
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Patrick Allen T Hartshorne
Death Age: 34
Birth Date: 31 Mar 1936
Registration Date: Jul 1970
[Aug 1970]
[Sep 1970]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Nottingham
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 3c
Page: 617

A possible son born in Nottingham 1965.

Is this the 'closed' record on 1939 register?

Births Sep 1933 (>99%)
TOWNSEND Muriel R Harvey Worksop 7b 95

COOKE, HAROLD JOHNSON
GRO Reference: 1897 S Quarter in GAINSBOROUGH Volume 07A Page 731

1911
40 Garfield St Gainsborough, Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England
Thomas George Cooke Head Married Male 46 1865 Tool Fitter Notts Radford
Mary Stevens Cooke Wife Married Female 40 1871 - Lincs Gosberton
Clement Aubrey Cooke Son Single Male 18 1893 Salesman Lincs Gainsboro
Harold Cooke Son Single Male 13 1898 Errand Boy Lincs Gainsboro
Gwendolen Cooke Daughter Single Female 9 1902 - Lincs Gainsboro

1939
145 Boutham Park Road,Lincoln, Lincoln C.B., Lincolnshire (Parts of Lindsey), England
Harold Cooke 07 Aug 1897 Male Grocers Manager Married 42 1
Winifred A Cooke 31 Mar 1894 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 42 2
The record for this person is officially closed. Can I get around this?

Sheila M (Margaret S) Richardson (Waterworth) 31 Oct 1924 Female School Single 42 3

Marriages Dec 1938 (>99%)
Cooke Harold Townsend Nottingham 7b 947
Cooke Harold Harvey Nottingham 7b 947
Harvey Winifred Cooke Nottingham 7b 947
Townsend Winifred Cooke Nottingham 7b 947

Winifred had been married before

Marriages Sep 1932 (>99%)
Harvey Winifred Townsend Worksop 7b 91
Townsend John E Harvey Worksop 7b 91

Apologies

Just noticed that I've duplicated all your info AG. Will delete if you wish

Wow a reply for Peter Hebblethwaite born Nottingham
Who went to Canada to join the Royal Mounted Police
My Vera Cooke Mother and Father were Harry Cooke born 1879 and Olive Taylor born 1882 both Nottingham
Let’s hope the information is what I have been looking for
From Olive

Marriages Dec 1938 (>99%)
Cooke Harold Townsend Nottingham 7b 947
Cooke Harold Harvey Nottingham 7b 947
Harvey Winifred Cooke Nottingham 7b 947
Townsend Winifred Cooke Nottingham 7b 947


???
Marriages Sep 1932 (>99%)
Harvey Winifred Townsend Worksop 7b 91
Townsend John E Harvey Worksop 7b 91


So this will be your Harold?

Harold Cooke
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Harold Cooke
Gender: Male
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 8 Aug 1897
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 145
Residence Place: Lincoln, Lincolnshire (Parts of Lindsey), England
Occupation: Grocer Manage R
Schedule Number: 42
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: TLCG
Registration district: 418 (1)
Inferred Spouse: Winifred A Cooke
Household Members:
Name
Harold Cooke
Winifred A Cooke - 31 Mar 1894



I don't see a Winifred A Harvey born at that time in Nottinghamshire.

There's this one in Worksop:

Births Sep 1893 (>99%)
Harvey Winifred Annie Worksop 7b 48

However, Ancestry suggests she married John W Taylor in Worksop in 1915 - and she and John are together in Worksop in 1939.



EDIT:
there's a closed record with Harold and Winifred in 1939.
Could be a Townsend/Harvey daughter born in Worksop in 1933.

Harry Cooke is a very common name, but the answer is to do the research

Presumably, Hebblethwaite's mother was a Cooke before her marriage

Find her on censuses and see who is in the same household

Alternatively, purchase a copy of the 1938 marriage cert to find out Harry's father's name - and whether or not he had been married previously

The 1939 census posted above is not for the people you are connected with

My Harold Cooke was born on the 7th of August 1897 in Gainsborough and Winifred on the 31st of March 1894. I think, but don't know for definite, that Winifred was his second wife.

It seemed quite a coincidence that Peter Hebblethwaite is the nephew of a Harold (Harry) Cooke, and that a Vera Wilson went to Canada with him for some reason unless they are related, but it does appear at the moment to be a coincidence..

Harry
Last name Cook
Birth year -
Baptism year 1879
Baptism date 16 Feb 1879
Denomination Anglican
Church St Stephen
Baptism place Sneinton
Father's first name(s) Harry
Father's last name Cook
Mother's first name(s) Maria
Mother's last name Cook
Residence Sneinton Rd
County Nottinghamshire
Country England
Record set Nottinghamshire Baptisms Index 1538-1917

Your Harold with Winifred in 1939 ???

Harold Cook
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Harold Cook
Gender: Male
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 14 Sep 1914
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 58
Residence Place: Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
Occupation: Bricklayers Labourer Heavy
Schedule Number: 121
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: RMKO
Registration district: 430-4 B29
Inferred Spouse: Winifred Cook
Household Members:
Name
Harold Cook
Winifred Cook - 7 July 1913

Welcome to the boards, Steve.

If you mean the Harry Cooke (1878) who married Olive Taylor in 1903 and who is still with her in 1939 (records posted on this page as well as earlier in this thread) - then no, he can't be the same one.

Hi Stephen.
Welcome to the boards.

Olive Jean might not be looking for replies on her thread at the moment, so if you want to contact her, click on her name (in green) above one of her posts to send a message through the GR system. She'll be notified there is a message waiting for her and can then retrieve it and reply direct to you.

Hello
I have just come across this conversation today.
I am the son of Betty Andrews (Hebblethwaite), grandson of Gwendolen Hebblethwaite (Cooke) and nephew of Peter Hebblethwaite. I have a photograph of Peter before he went to Canada in his Nottingham Police Uniform.
Is Harry Cooke the same Harold Cooke, Gwendolen's brother, that married Winifred Townsend in 1938??

I would love to exchange information with folks about this. As it happens I also live about three miles from Hucknall Library.

Hope to hear from you all. Regards Steve Andrews

Ps
I will send for my Grandmothers Birth Certifate Olive Taylor born 1882/3 Nottingham after all
Thankyou all agian
Olive

Just to say a big Thankyou To you all
For all the information you have found me redarding my Grandparents
And my Aunt Vera who was 100 years old =15th October 1919

I put together an Album of photos and Family History through years
Which went down well with all the Family
Aunt Vera received a Telegram from The Queen
The Nottingham Evening Post came regarding her 100th Birthday ,also local School children came to sing to her
The party the Care Home organised ,where she lives was really lovely
So Thankyou all agian
Olive

Olive, the 1939 states September for Jean!...(apologies!, Dec. written on image!)

You need the Birth Certificate...no Baptism, but, they don't always give a Birthdate either...

Going to Library won't really help, there isn't looking to be a Baptism for her, as I said above James and Walter Francis can be found on below, no Olive.

(and James has a birthdate, but not given for Walter)

https://www.freereg.org.uk/

(click on above, free to use at home!)

Chris :)

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp

(Certificates bought from above, you need to register, if you haven't already done so)

Birth
TAYLOR, OLIVE mms WOOLLEY
GRO Reference: 1883 M Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 381

GoodMornig
Yes I have 1939 register and that states 25 th December for both grandparents
Which all us grandchildren thought their birth dates were
The birth certificates won’t tell us the Baptisms
For them
Anyway thankyou all for all your efforts
I will go again to Nottingham Central Library and look again on BMD records
Thankyou all agian
Olive