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You probably have the correct birth certificate. Thomas Whitehead would likely have been named as the father as Celia's mother was still married to him.

The marriage certificate shows that Thomas was born in 1820, with a father James.

There's a Thomas Whitehead born 1820 in Monks Horton with father James. This one fits the Thomas Whitehead who was in Maidstone prison.

Hi Christina - thanks for your thoughts

I think I may then have a wrong birth certificate - the marriage certificate that I have I know is correct and this does confirm her fathers name as William

The only thing is I could only find one birth for a Celia Whitehead?

Thanks

Hi, I'm late with joining this thread. Started at the beginning so I'm going back to Celia Whitehead.

On 27th August, Andrew posted the 1871 census for Celia with parents William and Eliza Choke.

In the 1841 and 1851 censuses, Thomas Whitehead born 1820 in Monks Horton, was in Maidstone prison for theft.

In 1857 Eliza Whitehead and her children: James 13; Egerton 9 and William 6 entered St.Martin's workhouse.

So I thought it more likely that Celia's father was William Choke rather than Thomas.

Mmmm that is what is throwing me

I found it on Findmypast. The mother's name is given as Jessie on all three children's records.

Kath. x

Hi ArgyllGran

It is on Ancestry x

I'm not seeing the christening on Ancestry or FS.
Where did you find it, please?

(Presumably FMP?)

EDIT:

Oh, yes, I see it there.

Great minds think alike ArgyllGran !!!

Kath. x

I wonder if Jessie could just be a pet name for Olivia and that is what was given when the baptism record was filled in?

Kath. x

It seems unlikely that Edward would be given Ottaway as his middle name if he were some other woman's child.

Perhaps Jessie was a "pet" name for Olivia? Or the clerk made a mistake at the christening?

Hi Both

Great information I had found her death but no the actual date

I wonder could the person have misheard the mum's name (although they do not sound similar)

I believe I am on the right line but so frustrating about Jessie

Possibly Robert's death:-

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
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First name(s) ROBERT
Last name DURRANT
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1817
Age 84
Death quarter 2
Death year 1901
District Elham
County Kent
Volume 2A
Page 618
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

Kath. x

This is possibly Olivia in the 1901 census in a workhouse:-

Other household member first name(s) -
Other household member last name -

First name(s) Olive
Last name Durrant
Relationship Inmate
Marital status Married
Gender Female
Age 66
Birth year 1835
Occupation Charwoman
Birth town Challock
Birth town as transcribed CHALLOCK
Birth county Kent
Birth county as transcribed KENT
Birth place England
Birth place other as transcribed -
Street -
Town Eachend Hill
Parish Lyminge
City -
Country England
County Kent
Municipal ward -
Registration district Elham
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 852
Folio 102
Page 8
Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain, England

Kath. x

She was still with Robert in 1891. (As well as 1881 and 1871)

Her burial - to add to the death posted earlier:

Olivia Durrant
in the England & Scotland, Select Cemetery Registers, 1800-2016
Name: Olivia Durrant
Death Age: 68
Birth Date: abt 1834
Death Date: 20 Feb 1902
Death Place: 1 Dunns' Alley Folkestone
Burial Date: 25 Feb 1902
Burial Place: Folkestone, Kent, England
Cemetery Section: Section F
Grave Number: 8190
Interment Number: 3313

In that case it looks like the death in 1902 could possibly be her.

Kath. x

Olivia was 27 in 1861 census above, so born c1834. Born Challock, Kent.



Plova Ottaway
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Plova Ottaway
[Olivea Ottaway]
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: William Ottaway
Mother's name: Mary Ottaway
Gender: Female
Where born: Challock, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Folkestone
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
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County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Elham
Sub-registration district: Folkestone
ED, institution, or vessel: 2h
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 199
Piece: 1633
Folio: 229
Page Number: 49
Household Members:
Name Age
William Ottaway 59
Mary Ottaway 45
Thomas Ottaway 22
George Ottaway 15
Elizabeth Ottaway 24
Plova Ottaway 17
John Arington 26
Ann Arington 24

I just wondered if the death I found earlier for Olivia was "your" Olivia. It is always possible that Robert and Olivia just separated and went on to live with someone else, i.e. Robert living with Jessie. I can find no marriage for a Robert Durrant to a Jessie.

Do you know when Robert died? Is he anywhere in any census with Jessie?

Kath. x

Hi Kath

It just confirms 'above age' ?

Does the marriage of Robert and Olivia give an age for Olivia?

Kath. x

The thing that I am confused about is that Jessie is noted as the mother on the baptism record - but at the point of baptism - Robert & Olivia had been married five years before Edward was born? I thought that maybe Jessie could be Olivia middle name but cannot see that either?