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1939 register Elizabeth Lowen/Louen

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AustinQ

AustinQ Report 8 Dec 2017 09:14

Oh lovely- Thanks Chris- so the 1945 death is hers- and it would appear the DOB on the 1939 register is wrong.

Off out now, will take a look later.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 8 Dec 2017 09:04

Below from google search, Abney Park Cemetery Burials.

Chris :)

http://www.scan2.ca/stk/stk1710.html

Lowen, Elizabeth 15mar1945 50 171217 N09 8S06
22 Gillett Street, Hackney


http://www.scan2.ca/stk/stk1559.html

Lowen, David 02feb1933 44 155930 B07 7S17
22 Gillett Street, Hackney

(also below)

Sherriff, William Charles (aged 73)
of Hackney Hospital, E9
1879 - 1952 (buried 20/11/1952) J03:179529


Sherriff, Lydia (aged 49)
of 22 Gillett Street, Hackney
1885 - 1934 (buried 09/07/1934) B07:158055


You need the 1918 Marriage Cert...


Edits (saw below Hackney, no birthplace given)

1911 (Find My Past)
Lizzie Notley Servant Single Female General Servant Domestic 19 1892 -
45 Well Street Hackney, St John At Hackney, London & Middlesex


(notes 1911 (posted earlier) Henry Broom with David Lowen, 22, Gillett Street,Hackney)


Deaths Dec 1923 (>99%)
----------------------------------------------------
BROOM Henry J 44 Hackney 1b 469


Burial Register summary

Broom Henry James
Burial date 10 December 1923
Location Newham

https://www.deceasedonline.com/

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 8 Dec 2017 08:44

If David Lowen was born 1887, then Elizabeth was a fair bit older than him.

Could it be the 1939 register is wrong?

I can't see a death for Elizabeth Lowen born around 1875.

Elizabeth is on the electoral registers at Gillett Street until 1939- there were no electoral registers during the war. She does not appear at Gillett Street after the war.

So, could this be her death- approx birth year 1895?

Name: Elizabeth Lowen
Death Age: 50
Birth Date: abt 1895
Registration Date: Mar 1945
Registration district: Hackney
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b Page: 404

Nicola

Nicola Report 8 Dec 2017 00:39

Lillian Broom was the daughter of Henry Broom and Lydia Lowen, Lillian Broom married William Bowditch ( Lillian was the elder half sister of James Sherriff) I didn't see her on the 1939 register for this household but her husband William Bowditch is there. So frustrating that the 1939 register does not give place of birth? Find it strange that both the Sherriff's and Lowen's all married so late? never come across this before?

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 4 Dec 2017 07:16

Living with them 1939 are below couple (on Electoral 1939 she is Lowen)

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 (Ancestry)

Chris :)

Marriages Dec 1934 (>99%)
-------------------------------------------------------------
Bowditch William G Broom Hackney 1b 799
Broom Lilian Bowditch Hackney 1b 799


Birth
BROOM, LILIAN (LOWEN)
GRO Reference: 1909 S Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 473


Births Sep 1911 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------
Broom Henry G Lowen Hackney 1b 857


Who is her Father on 1918 Marriage Cert.?...

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 4 Dec 2017 00:28

Just to add ...............

my Dad always said that our family originated in Ireland and were horse trader, and he was only in his 50s and 60s when he said that!

My brother always maintained said family were Irish, but belonged to a Scottish clan .... based solely I think on seeing a list of names for that clan that included our family name. He found that list when he was living up in Scotland around 1953/4


NOPE ..................

I've got them all as Agricultural labourers (women as lace makers) in Buckinghamshire, right back to 1740





Never trust family memories!

Rambling

Rambling Report 3 Dec 2017 22:55

Not them Malyon as Sidney and Elizabeth are on 1939

Nottley Household (4 People)
33 Bexley Street , New Windsor M.B., Berkshire, England

Sidney H Nottley 22 Nov 1879 Male Locomotive Engine Driver Heavy Work Married 155 1
Elizabeth Nottley 05 Jan 1874 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 155 2
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.

malyon

malyon Report 3 Dec 2017 22:40

Elizabeth Nottley
mentioned in the record of Sidney Thomas Nottley
Name
Elizabeth Nottley
Sex
Female
Husband
Sidney Herbert Nottley
Son
Sidney Thomas Nottley

Births Mar 1874   (>99%)

GOODSELL
 Elizabeth
 
 Horsham
 2b
304



Marriages Dec 1901   (>99%)


  
Goodsell
 Elizabeth
 
 Hambledon
 2a
303
  
NOTTLEy
 Sidney Herbert
 
 Hambledon
 2a
303

Rambling

Rambling Report 3 Dec 2017 22:40

Usually the date on the 1939 is fairly accurate as to day and month and more likely to be out on year if anything, but it could be either.

Nicola

Nicola Report 3 Dec 2017 22:29

How accurate is the birth date of 9th Jan 1874, given on the 1939 register for Elizabeth Lowen ?

Nicola

Nicola Report 3 Dec 2017 22:27

Thanks all, was thinking that Elizabeth Lowen nee Notley may have been married before? She was 44 when she married David Lowen.

Andrew

Andrew Report 3 Dec 2017 22:10

This one in 1911

Name: Elizabeth Notley
Age in 1911: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Ness, Essex, England
Civil Parish: Deptford St Paul
Search Photos: Search for 'Deptford St Paul' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 6 Railway Grove, New Cross S E
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: BARMAN
Registration district: Greenwich
Registration District Number: 28
Sub-registration district: Deptford East
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Piece: 2632
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Chandler 53
Edith E Chandler 16
>>>>>>Elizabeth Notley 38
Horace Thomas Crouch 26


No sign of a birth and can't see her in 1901

Andy

greyghost

greyghost Report 3 Dec 2017 22:10

Unable to access Irish records on this site at present - showing Internal server error

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/

Not seeing anything for Elizabeth Notley on family search

Rambling

Rambling Report 3 Dec 2017 22:06

EDIT probably NOT this one as it looks like her husband was alive till 1930...

If married before and Elizabet Notley is married name this might ' be her

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
10, Thorne Street, Lambeth, London & Surrey, England

Henry Notley Head Married Male 28 1873 Milk Churn Maker -
Elizabeth Notley Wife Married Female 27 1874 - Swindon, Wiltshire, England
Henry Notley Son Single Male 6 1895 - London, England
William Notley Son Single Male 2 1899 - London, England

Looks likely this one's maiden name was Elizabeth Painter
Marriages Mar 1894 (>99%)

Notley Henry James Wandsworth 1d 750 view
Painter Elizabeth Wandsworth 1d 750

greyghost

greyghost Report 3 Dec 2017 22:03

Elizabeth Fanny Notley, born 1873 in Somerset, looks to have married in Somerset and to be in Devon on the 1939 register (oh that all records were so detailed). So not her.

Somerset marriage index Transcription

Spouse's birth year 1873
Record set Somerset Marriage Index
First name(s) Elizabeth Fanny
Sex Female
Last name Notley
Marriage year 1904
Birth year 1875
Spouse's first name(s) Peter Thomas
Spouse's last name Hurford
Parish Stogumber
Denomination Anglican
County Somerset
Country England
Document type Parish records
Page 106
Age 29
Marital status spinster
Residence Tatworth
Marriage date 18 Apr 1904
Spouse's age 31
Spouse's marital status bachelor
Spouse's residence Thorncombe
Spouse's occupation Farmer
Father's name Joseph Notley
Father's occupation Farmer
Spouse's father's name Peter Harford
Spouse's father's occupation Farmer
First witness Henry William Notley
Second witness Lilly White
Third witness Fred William Hurford
Archive Somerset Archives
Record type Marriages
Record's year range 1852-1942
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
---------------------------------------

Hurford Household (2 People)
Westforde Richmond Road , Exmouth U.D., Devon, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Elizabeth F Hurford 15 Dec 1873 Female Unpaid House Duties Married 172 2
Peter T Hurford 22 Sep 1870 Male Dairy Man Retail Retired Married 172 1

Rambling

Rambling Report 3 Dec 2017 21:59

The Elizabeth born in Chard also married there, so not that one

Marriages Jun 1904 (>99%)
Notley Elizabeth Fanny Chard 5c 713

Rambling

Rambling Report 3 Dec 2017 21:57

probably need the marriage cert for David and Elizabeth to see if Notley was actually her maiden name or whether she had been married before.

malyon

malyon Report 3 Dec 2017 21:57

this is the only Elizabeth born in 1874 but born in devon

Births Mar 1874   (>99%)

NOTLEY
 Elizabeth Fanny
 
 Chard
 5c
449

Rambling

Rambling Report 3 Dec 2017 21:47

Marriages Jun 1918 (>99%)

Lowen David Notley Hackney 1b 909
Notley Elizabeth Lowen Hackney 1b 909

Rambling

Rambling Report 3 Dec 2017 21:46

Just for my ref 1911, names are Lowen on image

Henry Broom Head Married Male House Painter 31 1880 Islington
Lydia Broom Wife Married Female - 25 1886 Kingsland
Lilian Broom Daughter - Female - 1 1910 Kingsland
Dare ( Dave Lowen) Fowen Lodger - Male Sweep 22 1889 Kingsland
James Fowen Lodger - Male Costermonger 26 1885 Kingsland