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Record of Birth for Albert George Huggins

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Robert

Robert Report 27 Dec 2017 13:06

Please help if you can. The above gentleman is my maternal grandfather. He died in Ashchurch near Tewkesbury, Glos. in 1940( Jan-Mar) aged 65. Because of his known age at death I assume he was born approx. 1874-75.
I have found him living with his grandparents Isaac and Sarah Huggins in Winterbourne,Glos. in the 1881 and 1891 census aged 6 and 16 respectively. In these two census records he is shown as being born in Birmingham.
He married Louisa Field at Bishops Cleeve, Glos. in 1903 while he was a serving soldier and his first child Elsie was born in Lucknow, India when he was a NCO in the Glosters. I just cannot find a record of his birth so cannot confirm who his parents were either.
Can anyone help please?.
Thanks in advance
Robert Fitz

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 27 Dec 2017 13:29

Only listed as Albert on marriage. He lists his father as Frederick on his marriage:

Name: Albert Huggins
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 28
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1875
Marriage Date: 22 Aug 1903
Marriage Place: Bishops Cleeve, Gloucestershire, England
Parish as it Appears: Bishops Cleeve

Father: Frederick Huggins (Blacksmith)
Spouse: Louisa Charlotte Field

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 27 Dec 2017 13:42

Where does the middle name George come from? Not seeing a death- did you make a mistake with his middle name?.

Is this him in 1939 with middle name James?

Huggins Household (8 People) 3 Midland Cottages , Cheltenham R.D., Gloucestershire, England

Albert James Huggins 07 Oct 1874 Male L M S Permanent Way Labourer Married
Louisa C Huggins 05 Dec 1884 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Betty Mavis Barnett (Huggins) 15 Jul 1920 Female Factory Hand Food Bottler Production Single
Kathleen V Fitz (Huggins) 13 Feb 1923 Female Ashchurch Assistant School Teacher Council School Single
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Thomas B Allmark 22 Apr 1917 Male Railway Porter Single
Frederick C Moore 15 May 1912 Male Railway Porter Single
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.

malyon

malyon Report 27 Dec 2017 13:46

this is the only birth for albert in GRO about that date unless he was not born huggins

HUGGINS, ALBERT
BARNES

GRO Reference: 1873 M Quarter in MALMESBURY Volume 05A Page 56

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 27 Dec 2017 13:54

Malyon- I think that's confusing things. Robert already said that Albert is with his Grandparents in 1881:

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Hambrook Cottage, Winterbourne, Barton Regis, Gloucestershire, England

Isaac Huggins Head Married Male 60 1821 Baker Unemployed Frampton Cotterell, Gloucestershire
Sarah Huggins Wife Married Female 60 1821 - Frampton Cotterell, Gloucestershire
Albert Huggins Grson Single Male 6 1875 Scholar Birmingham, Warwickshire,
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and for reference, this is Albert in 1911:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
22 Gravel Walk Tewkesbury, Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, England

Albert Huggins Head Married Male Insurance Agent 36 1875 Warwick Erdington
Louisa Huggins Wife Married Female - 27 1884 Gloucestershire Stroud
Elsie Huggins Daughter - Female - 6 1905 India Lucknow Resident
Florence Huggins Daughter - Female - 4 1907 Yorkshire Leeds
Albert Huggins Son - Male - 1 1910 Gloucestershire Tewkesbury

EDIT: Albert's son was Albert George

malyon

malyon Report 27 Dec 2017 14:12

will remove it there is no albert born in birmingham

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 27 Dec 2017 14:49

Yes- think it's going to be tough one!

Nyx

Nyx Report 27 Dec 2017 15:08

?

HUGGINS, ALBERT JAMES PEARCE Order
GRO Reference: 1876 J Quarter in STROUD Volume 06A Page 342



Nyx

Nyx Report 27 Dec 2017 15:17

deleted, going on wrong track...

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 27 Dec 2017 15:27

Don't think it's that birth- it doesn't fit with the October date on the 1939 register.

It's confusing as there is another Isaac/ Sarah Huggins family. Our Isaac was born Frampton Cotterell, the other at Hankerton, Wiltshire.

However, I'm not seeing a son Frederick (a blacksmith) to the Isaac (born Frampton Cotterll) and Sarah living in Winterbourne.
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Robert, have you followed all the other children of Isaac and Sarah?

Nyx

Nyx Report 27 Dec 2017 15:34

This is Isaac the Baker

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Downend, Mangotsfield, Keynsham, Somerset, England
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Isaac Huggins Head Married Male 36 1815 Baker Gloucestershire, England
Sarah Huggins Wife Married Female 31 1820 - Gloucestershire, England
Emma Huggins Daughter - Female 6 1845 Scholar Gloucestershire, England
John Huggins Son - Male 3 1848 - Gloucestershire, England
Henry Huggins Son - Male 0 1851 - Mangotsfield, Gloucestershire, England

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 27 Dec 2017 15:40

Same family 1861:

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Tything of Wick Wick, Frampton Cotterell, Chipping Sodbury, Gloucestershire, England

Isaac Huggins Head Married Male 40 1821 Toll Collector Frampton Cotterell, Gloucestershire
Sarah Huggins Wife Married Female 40 1821 - Frampton Cotterell, Gloucestershire
John Huggins Son - Male 13 1848 Scholar Frampton Cotterell, Gloucestershire,
Henry Huggins Son - Male 10 1851 Scholar Frampton Cotterell, Gloucestershire,
Elizabeth Huggins Daughter - Female 7 1854 Scholar Frampton Cotterell, Gloucestershire,
Isaac Huggins Son - Male 5 1856 Scholar Frampton Cotterell, Gloucestershire,
Abraham Huggins Son - Male 3 1858 Scholar Frampton Cotterell, Gloucestershire
Hannah Huggins Daughter - Female 0 1861 - Frampton Cotterell, Gloucestershire,
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and 1871:

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Iron Works Road, Mangotsfield, Keynsham, Somerset, England

Isaac Huggins Head - Male 50 1821 - Gloucestershire, England
Sarah Huggins Wife - Female 50 1821 - Gloucestershire, England
Abraham Huggins Son - Male 13 1858 - Gloucestershire, England
Hannah Huggins Daughter - Female 10 1861 - Gloucestershire, England
Jacob Huggins Son - Male 8 1863 - Gloucestershire, England

greyghost

greyghost Report 27 Dec 2017 15:54

There are Army Service records for him on FMP, lots of pages which I need to go through again, as they are mixed up. Service No. 3358

His birth town is listed as Frenchay, Gloucestershire. Born c1873 as listed as aged 32 on discharge in 1905.

When you get to the last page he initially gives his NOK as his Mother Elizabeth Huggins, address not known, when he attested in 1891.

The NOK is late altered to "Wife with husband" as she was allowed on strength with him. This was presumably after a period of leave for the marriage as he is listed as in India from Feb.1897- Dec.1905

He is shown as marrying Louisa Charlotte Field at Bishops Cleeve, Gloucester 22.8.1903, witnesses Lancelot Chess and Florence Nellie Field.

Elsie Louisa's birth in Lucknow is recorded as 22.12.04

Nyx

Nyx Report 27 Dec 2017 16:02

Elizabeth Huggins?

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Villa, West, Stapleton Ashley Down, Clifton, Gloucestershire, England

James Symes Head - Male 38 1833 - Dorset, England
Fanny Symes Wife - Female 29 1842 - Gloucestershire, England
H G B Symes Son - Male 8 1863 - Gloucestershire, England
P J Symes Son - Male 4 1867 - Gloucestershire, England
Robert G Robertson Boarder - Male 27 1844 - Scotland
Elizabeth Huggins Servant - Female 18 1853 - Gloucestershire, England

Nyx

Nyx Report 27 Dec 2017 16:11

?


England & Wales marriages 1837-2005 Transcription

First name(s) ELIZABETH
Last name HUGGINS
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1877
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ ELIZABETH HUGGINS married one of these people
, Frederick Dugless <<<<
District Aston
District number -
County Warwickshire
Country England
Volume 6D
Volume as transcribed 6D
Page number 449
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
Collections from Great Britain, England

Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
DUGLASS, HANNAH ELIZABETH HUGGINS Order
GRO Reference: 1882 J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 150

DUGLESS, HENRY HUGGINS Order
GRO Reference: 1878 D Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 441

greyghost

greyghost Report 27 Dec 2017 16:12

Re attested to Territorial Force 1/5th Gloster Regt. Service No 2005. Signed 3.9.1914 the agreement as a Territorial to serve outside of UK in the event of a National Emergency

Discharged 1915 no longer fit for Service. Sergeant

Became Army Pensioner, last address on one form dates 27.1.1916 was 5 Aston Cross Cottages, W. Tewkesbury.

Tiggit

Tiggit Report 27 Dec 2017 16:20

Frederick Douglas
England and Wales Census, 1891
Name: Frederick Douglas
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1891
County: Gloucestershire
Parish: St Philip & St Jacob Out
Ecclesiastical Parish: ST JUDE
Registration District: Barton Regis
Residence Note: Great Ann Street
Gender: Male
Age: 37
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Blacksmith<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birth Year (Estimated): 1854
Birthplace: England
Page Number: 15
Registration Number: RG12
Piece/Folio: 1983/ 96
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
Frederick Douglas
Head
Male
37
England
Elizabeth Douglas
Wife
Female
40
Gloucestershire, England
Hannah Douglas
Daughter
Female
9
England
Thomas Douglas
Son
Male
5
England

Tiggit

Tiggit Report 27 Dec 2017 16:24

1901 census:

Frederick Douglas
England and Wales Census, 1901
Name: Frederick Douglas
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Event Place: Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
County: Gloucestershire
Civil Parish: Bristol
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Thomas Eastville
Sub-District: Stapleton
Registration District: Bristol
Residence Note: Napier Road
Gender: Male
Age: 44
Occupation: Shoeing Smith
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birth Year (Estimated): 1857
Birthplace: Kings Lynn, Norfolk
Schedule Type: 173
Page Number: 27
Household

Frederick Douglas
Head
Male
44
Kings Lynn, Norfolk
Elizabeth Douglas
Wife
Female
47
Downend, Gloucestershire
Hannah Douglas
Daughter
Female
19
Birmingham, Warwickshire
Thomas Douglas
Son
Male
15
Bristol
Sarah Douglas
Daughter
Female
9
Bristol

Nyx

Nyx Report 27 Dec 2017 16:27

Named after grandfather?



DOUGLASS, ISAAC JOHN HUGGINS Order
GRO Reference: 1888 D Quarter in BARTON REGIS Volume 06A Page 149

sadly died

Deaths Mar 1890 (>99%)
Douglas Isaac John 1 Barton R. 6a 110Order


DOUGLASS, THOMAS HUGGINS Order
GRO Reference: 1886 M Quarter in BARTON REGIS Volume 06A Page 125

greyghost

greyghost Report 27 Dec 2017 16:34

OK, further detail from documents -

Attested at Bristol 5 Sep. 1891 aged 18 years and 0 months. Born in the Parish of Frenchay, near Bristol. A Labourer. Already in Militia - 3rd Battn Gloster Regt.

5' 5 ½" 122lbs. Chest Min 32 ½", max 33 ½"
Complexion Fair, Eyes Blue, Hair Brown CofE. No distinguishing marks

Discharge 20 Sept. 1905 after completing 12 years Service. Stationed at Subatha

As H Harding he attested to the Royal Regiment of Artillery 16 Nov. 1892 Service No. 94313 and served in Jersey. Whilst there he was awarded 168 hours imprisonment (7 days) on 4 Sept 1893 after being absent from place of duty.

On 22 Sep. 1893 whilst in Jersey he was Imprisoned for 56 days for the offence of Fraudulent Enlistment on 16 Nov. 1892 where it was noted Harding was an alias and he was Albert Huggins No. 3358.

He enlisted at Newport, Mons. to the Royal Artillery, whilst belonging to the 1st Battn. Glosters. This enabled him to obtain free kit value £1 13s 7 3/4d for which he was stopped pay.

Re engaged 22.2.1903 to complete 21 years with the colours but discharged 22.9.05 under article 1142 (ii) Royal Warrant