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Marriages Sep 1888 (>99%)
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BOWLES Elizabeth Esther Dorchester 5a 567
Doolan James Dorchester 5a 567


(Dorset, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921 (Ancestry)

(age 41, his occ. Soldier. Father, Michael Doolan, occ. Soldier. Her Father, John Bowles, occ. Labourer)


1891 (Find My Past)
James Doolan Head Married Male 44 1847 Agricultural Labourer Ireland
Elizabeth E Doolan Wife Married Female 25 1866 - Dorset, England
Frederick Campbell Boarder Married Male 34 1857 Blacksmith Scotland
Frances Campbell Boarder Married Female 30 1861 Cook Domestic Servant Dorset, England
Hester A M M Emery Niece Single Female 4 1887 - Ireland
Sodom Cottages, North Street, Charminster, Dorchester, Dorset

If above info is proven to be correct...
The 4yr old niece can be positively identified.
Her name was:
Esther Alice Mabel Mary Emery

Born on 9 May 1887 iat 3 Union Place, Rathmines, South Dublin
Her parents were: George Emery and Alice Bowles

Which suggests that Alice Bowles was the sister of Elizabeth Bowles who married James Doolan

The child's father was also a soldier.
He was an Acting Bombardier in the Royal Horse Artilliery (RHA)

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1887/02561/1947348.pdf

Images on FMP

British Army Service Records 1760-1915 Transcription

name(s) James Dolan
Birth year 1847
Birth town Portarlington
Birth county Kings (Offaly)
Birth country Ireland
Service number 2221
Regiment 59th Foot
Attestation date 26 Jul 1867
Attestation age years 20
Attestation service number 2221
Attestation corps 59th Foot
Discharge corps 59th Foot
Series Wo 97 - Chelsea Pensioners British Army Service Records 1760-1913

Date of discharge: 5th Sept 1888
Mother: Catherine (Portarlington)
Regimantal Paymaster (1925 & 1928) Exeter
Place of Discharge: Dorchester
Intended place of residence on discharge: Jubilee Place, Upwey, Dorset

This is James in 1901:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Pimlico, West Tytherley, Stockbridge, Hampshire, England

James Dolan Head Married Male 52 1849 General Labourer Ireland
Elizabeth E Dolan Wife Married Female 34 1867 - Cerne Abbas, Dorset, England
Dora Dolan Daughter - Female 1 1900 - Warminster, Wiltshire, England

I think Chris does have the correct family (Father married as James DOOLAN to Elizabeth Esther Bowles- but name varied from Dolan to Doolan):

DOB for Elizabeth matches her DOB on the 1939 register:

National School Admission Registers & Log-books 1870-1914 Transcription

First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Dolan
Birth date 02 May 1902
Event year 1907
School name Exton and Corhampton Endowed School
Town Exton
County Hampshire
Country England
Parent name(s) James
Book type Admissions
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I suspect she lied with the age on her first marriage to avoid consent from parents. Her age on second marriage, 1939 register and death certificate all match this 1902 birth.

DOLAN, ELIZABETH ESTHER MARY (Mother's maiden name: BOWLES )
GRO Reference: 1902 J Quarter in CHRISTCHURCH Volume 02B Page 667
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Elizabeth was also recorded at Warnford Board/Council School along with
James Dolan b 1 April 1901
Dora Dolan b 14 Jan 1900
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Elizabeth's baptism:

Elizabeth Esther Mary Dolan
Gender Female
Baptism date 16 Jul 1902
Residence Bentworth, Hampshire, England
County Hampshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) James
Father's last name Dolan
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth Esther

Hi Chris.
The community have provided a lot of information which I need to sift through and try to sort out, who is who.

And if any of these are related.

Regards
Malcolm.

Hi greyghost.

All I know is Dorothy went to Quetta India as a childrens nurse in 1939 and married George Nicholls in quetta in March 1940.

Did she follow him or meet him there I do not know.

Regards
Malcolm.

(well still not sure on below, as posted earlier)

Chris :)

(MARRIAGES
PORTSEA, PORTSMOUTH & SOUTHSEA)

https://tinyurl.com/ccw7bw

page 47 no 94 Apr 6 1923 Walter Ernest SMITH 25 bachelor Able seaman RN HMS Durham & Dora DOOLAN 23 spinster 45 Spring St married after banns bith signed fathers John Robert SMITH J? & James DOLAN Army pensioner in the presence of James DOOLAN & John William DOWSETT


Marriages Jun 1923 (>99%)
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Doolan Dora Smith Portsmouth 2b 927
Smith Walter E Doolan Portsmouth 2b 927


Edits (below was also posted)

Birth
DOLAN, JAMES HERBERT (BOWLES)
GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in STOCKBRIDGE Volume 02C Page 119


Marriages Sep 1888 (>99%)
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BOWLES Elizabeth Esther Dorchester 5a 567
Doolan James Dorchester 5a 567


(Dorset, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921 (Ancestry)

(age 41, his occ. Soldier. Father, Michael Doolan, occ. Soldier. Her Father, John Bowles, occ. Labourer)


1891 (Find My Past)
James Doolan Head Married Male 44 1847 Agricultural Labourer Ireland
Elizabeth E Doolan Wife Married Female 25 1866 - Dorset, England
Frederick Campbell Boarder Married Male 34 1857 Blacksmith Scotland
Frances Campbell Boarder Married Female 30 1861 Cook Domestic Servant Dorset, England
Hester A M M Emery Niece Single Female 4 1887 - Ireland
Sodom Cottages, North Street, Charminster, Dorchester, Dorset

Hi Austin Q

Dorothy may have had a daughter called Susan and relocated to ESHER after the war.
This is hear say, problem is both my parents and grandparents have passed away years ago and the Doolans were never talked about.

Regards
Malcolm.

I'm pretty sure that James would be in the British Army. Unfortunately not all Army documents survive.

Although very much a Naval town now, there were Army barracks a plenty in the Gosport / Alverstoke areas.

Perhaps that's where/how Dorothy met her husband and followed him out to India.

Hi Chris.

The name is Doolan and not Dolan.

Thank you.

Malcolm.

????

Births Sep 1914 (>99%)
DOLLIN Dorothy E M Sapeford Farnham 2a 232

(lol, see Dora Dolan Marriage info., I just added above)

Chris :)

Hi Chris.

I live in Portsmouth will check out the address at Commercial road in the local library, but if my great grandfather lived in portsmouth I think I would of known. !!! .

Regards
Malcolm

Are you aware of any children of Dorothy and George R Nicholls? There is a possible daughter, Fiona, born in 1943 Quetta.

It's possible that Fiona married in the UK.
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Chris- a motor-coach at 90mph in 1932.... that's going some!

I think this is the James in the article-

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Gosport Road Fareham, Fareham, Hampshire, England

James Dolan Head Married Male Army Pensioner 62 1849 Portarlington Ireland Queens County
Elizabeth Esther Dolan Wife Married Female Domestic Duties 45 1866 Cerne Abbas Dorset
Dora Dolan Daughter - Female School 11 1900 Southampton Hants
James Herbert Dolan Son - Male School 10 1901 West Tytherley Salisbury
Elizabeth Esther Mary Dolan Daughter - Female - 9 1902 Red Hill Bournemouth
Herbert Barter Boarder Single Male Basket Maker 46 1865 Glastonbury Somerset
Jessie Carpenter Boarder Single Female - 32 1879 Wells Somerset
John Douglas Tedcastle Harper Nurse Child - Male - 3 1908 London
Harry Carpenter - - Male - 0 1911 Gosport Road Fareham
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Birth
DOLAN, ELIZABETH ESTHER MARY (mother's maiden name: BOWLES)
GRO Reference: 1902 J Quarter in CHRISTCHURCH Volume 02B Page 667
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Marriage of Parents (James listed as DOOLAN):

name(s) ELIZABETH ESTHER BOWLES
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1888
Spouse: James Doolan
District Dorchester
County Dorset
Volume 5A Page number 567

Hi Austin Q

On her marriage cert to charles Wallin on 6th Nov 1920 cert states she is 21. DOB would be 1898/99

On her marriage cert to George Winchester on 13th Dec 1956 cert states she is 54 , DOB would be 1898/99

On her death cert dated 13th Dec 1956 her age is 54. DOB would be 1902.
As I cannot find her birth cert, it could be either dates.

I have a number of photos of Dorothy in Quatta India were she married George Nicholls who was a sergeant in the Royal Signals.

I have always thought of Dorothy as Marys sister, they do share the same James Doolan on their marriage certificates and he is stated as a soldier on both certs.

Regards
Malcolm

Doolan James Herbert 1901 — 1919 British Royal Air Force, Airmen's Service Records 1912-1939 Wiltshire (Find My Past)

(notes above has James Doolan, Father, 459, Commercial Road, Portsmouth)

(Birth 1/4/1901 (Town) West Tutherly (Parish) Pimlick (County) Salsbury)


(if below)

Birth
DOLAN, JAMES HERBERT (BOWLES)
GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in STOCKBRIDGE Volume 02C Page 119


Marriages Sep 1888 (>99%)
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BOWLES Elizabeth Esther Dorchester 5a 567
Doolan James Dorchester 5a 567

Chris :)

09 September 1932 - Hampshire Telegraph - Portsmouth, Hampshire,

GOSPORT DRIVER FlNED.
James Herbert Doolan, Exmouth Road,. Elson, Gosport, was summoned for driving a motor-coach at more than 90 miles per hour at Bentley...


Marriages Sep 1929 (>99%)
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Ash Adelaide E Doolan Alverstoke 2b 1553
Doolan James H Ash Alverstoke 2b 1553


1939 Register (Find My Past)

14 Compton Road , Halesowen M.B., Worcestershire,
James H Doolan 01 Apr 1901 Male Chief Inspector-Aluminium Rolling Mill Married Adelaide (Elsie) Ellis (Doolan) 14 Jan 1909 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married


(no idea if below relating, from google search)

(MARRIAGES
PORTSEA, PORTSMOUTH & SOUTHSEA)

https://tinyurl.com/ccw7bw

page 47 no 94 Apr 6 1923 Walter Ernest SMITH 25 bachelor Able seaman RN HMS Durham & Dora DOOLAN 23 spinster 45 Spring St married after banns bith signed fathers John Robert SMITH J? & James DOLAN Army pensioner in the presence of James DOOLAN & John William DOWSETT


Marriages Jun 1923 (>99%)
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Doolan Dora Smith Portsmouth 2b 927
Smith Walter E Doolan Portsmouth 2b 927

Hello Malcolm,

How do you know Mary was born in 1898? The 1939 register, and her death in 1956, suggest her birth was in 1902.

How do you know Dorothy was Mary's sister. Where/ when did Dorothy die?

Thank you for all your replies and information, and advice from Cynthia.

My problem is I only have what was on my grandmother marriage cert as her father is in the army, I have always assumed that this was in the Irish free state, as Dorothys marriage cert states that she is from the IFS.

Marys marriage to Charles Wallin cert dated 6th Nov 1920 states father James doolan is a labourer. her address is listed as 140 Clayhall road Alverstoke Gosport Hants.

Dorothys marriage cert dated 19th March 1940 states father is a soldier.
Marys second marriage to George Herbert Winchester dated 5th Aug 1944 states father is a soldier.her address is listed as 48 Angerstein rd North End Portsmouth Hants.

It is possible James Doolan was in the British army.
My grand mother Mary Elizabeth Doolan was born in 1898 so I have only gone back approx 20 years for my great grandfathers possible age.
Grandmother Mary died young in 1955.

The memories from my own parents is that she was Irish.

Regards
Malcolm.

???

Marriages Mar 1899
Beech Mary Jane Liverpool 8b 228
Doolan James Liverpool 8b 228

So don't think that 1901 census is the rights james as this is the daughter with the mmn

DOOLAN, MARY CATHERINE BEECH
GRO Reference: 1900 D Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 33 Order

So married following year

Dorothy H M
Last name Doolan
Marriage year 1940
Marriage place Quetta
Country India
Spouse's first name(s) -
Spouse's last name -Nicholls
Page 188
Line number 56
Record source GRO Index Army Marriages (1881 to 1955)
Record set British Nationals Armed Forces Marriages 1796-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
Collections from Great Britain, UK None
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So he was an army guy