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I now have the death cert. for my 3 x Gt.Grandfather Thomas Holland. He died 1853 in Middleton which was at that time in the County of Lancaster. The informant is given as Ann Phenix (could be Phoenix spelt wrong) living at least in the same street. I am trying to find if she is any relation but I have not been successful so far. Any help would be much appreciated. :-(
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What was the street name please?
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Thomas Holland
England, Lancashire, Parish Registers 1538-1910
Name:
Thomas Holland
Event Type:
Burial
Event Date:
07 Jun 1853
Event Place:
Lancaster, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
Gender:
Male
Age:
75
Birth Year (Estimated):
1778
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1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Bury New Road, Cheetham, Manchester, Lancashire, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Ann Pheoniux Head Widow Female 41 1810 Lodging House Keeper Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
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Leighes Holding Servant Unmarried Female 12 1839 House Servant Manchester, Lancashire, England
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ann could be his married daughter
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I think that death is the wrong one ?
Is this not the death, for a 44 year old?
Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1853
Surname Forename(s) Age or Date of Birth Sub-District Registers At Reference
HOLLAND Thomas 44 Middleton Rochdale M/6/58
Dea x
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Ann Holland
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name:
Ann Holland
Gender:
Female
Christening Date:
17 Jun 1810
Christening Date (Original):
17 JUN 1810
Christening Place:
CATHEDRAL,MANCHESTER,LANCASHIRE,ENGLAND
Father's Name:
Thomas Holland
Mother's Name:
Betty
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The address in Middleton was Wood Street, no number for Thomas or Ann.
As far as I know he did not have a daughter (could be wrong, maybe just not shown up)
only two sons James b.1844 my 2 x gt.grandfather and John Dennis b. 1847 and the whole family were born in Ireland. Do not know the date when they moved to England.
Thomas was 44 when he died.
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Further info he died 12th April 1853
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So this is your family for reference.
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
13, Little Park, Tonge, Oldham, Lancashire, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
>>Ann Holland Head Widow Female 46 1815 House Keeper Ireland
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>>James Holland Son Unmarried Male 16 1845 Worker In Cotton Mill Ireland
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>>John Devis Holland Son Unmarried Male 13 1848 Worker In Cotton Mill Ireland
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Thomas Save Boarder Married Male 29 1832 Agricultural Labourer Ireland
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Michael Save Boarder Married Male 40 1821 Agricultural Labourer Ireland
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William Connor Boarder Married Male 40 1821 Agricultural Labourer Ireland
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John Walsh Boarder Married Male 30 1831 Agricultural Labourer Ireland
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Michael Walsh Matron Married Male 43 1818 Agricultural Labourer Ireland
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Thomas H Loyer Boarder Married Male 26 1835 Agricultural Labourer Ireland
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Yes that is the correct family after Thomas' death
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Could they have just arrived and were living in the lodging house when he died
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Was that as below?, (can't see the one Holland for reference from Dea)
(what was occupation of Thomas?)
Chris :)
Death
BOLLAND, THOMAS (44)
GRO Reference: 1853 J Quarter in OLDHAM Volume 08D Page 409
(no Bolland on below either!)
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
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Hi Chris Occupation was Iron Founder. Name is Holland not Bolland Chris.
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They could quite well have just arrived when Thomas died as you suggest. The family do not know exactly when they arrived we only know they were here when he died and are on the 1861 censusfor Tonge, Middleton. So Ann Pjenix could just have been another resident in the boarding house.
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(ah!, did wonder, had seen below come up, when searching for things Wood Street, Middleton!)
Chris :)
13 March 1858 - Rochdale Pilot, and General Advertiser - Rochdale, Greater
Shocking Accident. —On Monday, the men were at work in Mrs. Holland's brass and iron foundry, Wood-street, Middleton, one of them, a young man, aged 17 years, named Daniel Murray, was attempting to put the strap on to shaft, when his...
09 April 1858 - Wigan Observer and District Advertiser - Wigan, Lancashire
had died from injuries received accident on the 18th ult. He had been In the employ of Mr. Thomas Bolland, engineer, Wood-street, Middleton; and on the 8tb ult. he was putting the straps on the screwing machine...
Death
MURRAY, DANIEL (17)
GRO Reference: 1858 J Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 182
(just wondered which 1853 Cert. you had sent for, Bolland or a Holland, lol)
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I have a copy sent to me from a relatve
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https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
(ah!, was just wondering when looking on above link!, and thought perhaps Bolland was mistaken for Holland)
Chris :)
Edits
Lancashire wills & probate 1457-1858 Transcription (Find My Past)
First name(s) Thomas
Last name Bolland
Year 1853
Date 04 Jul 1853
Occupation Ironfounder
Place Middleton
Archdeaconry Chester
County Cheshire, Lancashire
Archive Lancashire Archives
Archive reference 1248B/3
Index To Death Duty Registers 1796-1903 (Find My Past)
Thos Bolland 1853 Lancashire All Courts Excluding Pcc MIDDLETON MANCHESTER
(Administrator, Mary Bolland, Middleton, Manchester)
(notes a Benjamin Bolland, Wood Street, Middleton 1851 (Engineer)
Strange!...(the Thomas below, born same place as Benjamin Bolland above)
1851 (Find My Past)
Thomas Bolland Head Married Male 41 1810 Iron Founder Worsbrough, Yorkshire, England
Mary Bolland Wife Married Female 40 1811 - Arthog, Yorkshire, England
Mary Warsley Servant Unmarried Female 16 1835 House Servant Lancashire, England
Long Street, Middleton, Oldham, Lancashire
1861 (Find My Past)
Mary Bolland Head Widow Female 50 1811 Millwrights And Engineers Employing 16 Men and 4 Boys. Barnsley, Yorkshire, England
Edward R Bolland Son Unmarried Male 22 1839 - Middleton, Lancashire, England
Margaret Armitage Niece Unmarried Female 30 1831 Domestic Servant Ardley, Yorkshire, England
20, Kid Street, Middleton, Oldham, Lancashire,
Bolland Benjamin (Martha Woodward) 1816 — 1838 Yorkshire Marriages Worsbrough, Yorkshire (West Riding), England (Find My Past)
(from image, his Father, John, occ. Engineer)
Birth
BOLLAND, EDWARD ROODHOUSE (ROODHOUSE)
GRO Reference: 1838 D Quarter in ASHTON AND OLDHAM Volume 20 Page 97
England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription (Find My Past)
First name(s) Thomas
Last name Bolland
Marriage year 1835
Marriage date 10 Aug 1835
Marriage place Manchester
Spouse's first name(s) Mary
Spouse's last name Roodhouse
County Lancashire
(is below your John Dennis?)
1871 (Find My Past)
Nancy Holland Head - Female 57 1814 - Ireland
Dennis Holland Son - Male 22 1849 - Ireland (Jobber in Card room)
Foundry Street, Tonge, Oldham, Lancashire,
1881 (Find My Past)
Dennis Holland Head Married Male 35 1846 Dublin, Dublin, Ireland Masons Labourer
Jane Holland Wife Married Female 38 1843 Tonge, Lancashire, England Silk Weaver
Patience Lord Daughter Single Female 17 1864 Tonge, Lancashire, England
2, Oldham Road, Tonge, Oldham, Lancashire,
Marriage: 1 Jan 1880 St Mary the Virgin, Prestwich, Lancashire, England
Denis Holland - (X), 34, Jobber, Bachelor, Tonge
Jane Lord - (X), 37, Weaver, Widow, Tonge
Groom's Father: John Holland, deceased, Farmer
Bride's Father: William Ramsden, Butcher
Witness: James Ogden; William Horrocks
Married by Banns by: J. H. Street, Curate
Notes: [Sarah Taylor signed as witness but this was crossed out]
Register: Marriages 1877 - 1880, Page 225, Entry 450
Source: LDS Film 2356230
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html
1871 (Find My Past)
James Holland Head - Male 25 1846 - Ireland (Labourer in Card room)
Mary Holland Wife - Female 25 1846 - Lancashire, England
Sarah Alice Holland Daughter - Female 5 1866 - Lancashire, England
Thomas Holland Son - Male 2 1869 - Lancashire, England
Harriett Holland Daughter - Female 1 1870 - Lancashire, England
Park Street, Little, Tonge, Oldham, Lancashire
(not sure here, but something not adding up!)
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So sorry Chris I have had problems going on line but all is well now.
1871-James will be Thomas/Ann's son. He had a brother John Dennis b.1847 Ireland.
The info relating to a Denis will be wrong as none of the info relates to the above John Denis (dates, parents etc.) The same with Bolland.
I thank you so much for all the effort you have put in trying to help me.
One thing I have discovered in my search is that there were many Thomas Holland's arriving from Ireland all in the same time span ie. 1847 when John Denis was born in Ireland and 1853 when Thomas died in Middleton.
I have been looking at Liverpool too as I should think it quite likely that Liverpool would be where they landed when they arrived from Ireland.
Thanks again.
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Did wonder if that was Dennis Holland above, wasn't sure, or who he Married.
Chris :)
Strange though Thomas Holland Death 1853 (44) Middleton (Iron Founder)
Will, Thomas Bolland 1853 (44) Middleton (Iron Founder)
Must have been a lot about, lol.
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
(still wondering which Holland on above. Oldham covering Middleton)
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