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A couple of years ago I gave up looking for my grandfather, just kept hitting brick walls! For the last few days something has been telling me to continue which I have and happy to say I found out something today I didn't know. There is a huge chuck of time in which I cannot find anything for him, sadly my dad has passed and there is nobody else that I can ask for info (my grandfather died when my dad was 13 so he didn't know much. This is what I have so far:

HARRY BURT born 28/02/1897 80 Kingsdown Road Islington

Parents: Geroge Burt & Mary Burt formally Allen

1901 Census shows him living at home at 25 Scholefield Road Islington

On 9/8/1911 Harry enrolled on the TS Exmouth Training Ship (Found this out today!)

He was discharged on 22/10/1912

THEN THERE IS NOTHING

Until he marries my nan on the 11/08/1945 My nan was born Stella Lally on 25/05/1918

However, I have the marriage cert for them and she is listed as Stella L Stone (which is my uncles surname due to different dads) but there is no marriage cert for Stella Marrying a Stone

Then Harry dies on the 18/03/1966 living at 287 The Glade, Croydon.

Can ANYONE help me find harry between 1912 and 1945? I don't know why I am feeling that I have to keep looking but I jus don't know where he was.

Joanna Burt

1939
26 Bensham Manor Road , Croydon C.B., Surrey, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Harry Burt 28 Feb 1897 Male House Decorator Married 28 1
Kathleen Burt 06 Dec 1894 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 28 2

Was there other 'Threads' relating...

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1335557

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1351243

Chris :)

Harry Burt - Message Boards

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/boards/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=9273&p=localities...

10 Apr 2012 - 5 posts - ?4 authors
... Burt died 18/03/1966 in Croydon, Surrey. age 69 years. Also have his wedding cert; Harry Burt (widower) married Stella Stone (maiden name Lally) on the 18/08/1945. His father was George Burt. Harry was born in Islington, London?? and when married to my nan was living in Bensham Manor Road, ...

Could she possibly be this Helen Lalley?


Marriages Dec 1940 (>99%)
Lalley Helen Stone Holborn 1b 1259
Stone Horace S Lalley Holborn 1b 1259

?????????
Name: Kathleen Burt
Death Age: 52
Birth Date: abt 1891
Registration Date: Dec 1943
Registration district: Croydon
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 1065

This is great a fantastic start.....thank you so much!

I had assumed that Harry was previously married as he was a widower when he married my nan (on marriage cert) and there was a big age gap, Harry was 48 and Stella was 27.

Where his first wife Kathleen Burt is listed above would you know what "female unpaid domestic duties" mean?? Surely he didn't marry her for domestic duties? If this is the case I can see a pattern here....... one thing I remember my dad/uncle saying was that he met my nan as she used to clean for him :-S

a possibilty
Name: Harry Burt
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1927
Registration district: Croydon
Inferred County: Surrey
Spouse: Kitty Sullivan
Volume Number: 2a
Page Number: 909

housewife :-)

there are two burt / sullivan births 1923 and 1926 but both in isington
Joseph D W Burt
Mother's Maiden Surname: Sullivan
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1923
Registration district: Islington
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 454

Name: Joseph Daniel W Burt
Death Age: 70
Birth Date: 25 Oct 1923
Registration Date: Jun 1994
Registration district: Southend On Sea
Inferred County: Essex
Register Number: C59B
District and Subdistrict: 4751C
Entry Number: 39

not posting 2nd child as i cannot see a death certificate

'unpaid domestic duties' is official 'speak' for housewife.

In other words, she stayed at home and looked after the home and family

There is also a 'paid domestic duties' category

How did you come by Training Ship Exmouth reference...

Chris )

Edits (was it below?)

London, England, TS Exmouth Training Ship Records, 1876-1918 (Ancestry)

On Ancestry, Chris

Name: Harry Burt
Age: 14
Birth Date: 28 Feb 1897
Residence Year: 1911
Residence Place: St Mary's Islington
Entrance Date: 9 Aug 1911
Entrance Place: Grays, Essex, England
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(yep!, just seen and added!)

Chris :)

Thank you guys <3

I am slightly confused now hahaha

So are we (you) saying that Harry was married to Kathleen? will purchase a cert for this.

But then who is "Kitty Sullivan" - is this a shortened name for Kathleen and Sullivan being her maiden name?

And who is Joseph?

https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch

(above has a Kathleen Burt, credits needed to view details)

Chris :)

just saying it is a possible marriage, Kitty can be short for Kathleen and possibly 2 sons born but certificates would be needed to prove or disprove
maddie

Re-posting 1939, showing 'closed record' - a child, presumably

Burt Household (3 People)
26 Bensham Manor Road , Croydon C.B., Surrey, England


FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Harry Burt 28 Feb 1897 Male House Decorator Married 28 1
Kathleen Burt 06 Dec 1894 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 28 2
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.

Thank you Erika <3

What does it mean when it states "closed record" xx

Why are some records in the 1939 Register officially closed?
Answer:

Individuals’ records remain closed for 100 years from their date of birth (100 year rule). Records remain closed for people born less than 100 years ago until proof of death is verified. As more records become open as a result of the 100 year rule, more records will become available to search and view online at Findmypast. Of the 41 million records, approximately 13 million (around 32%) will be closed at publication. The 1939 Register will be updated regularly.

https://tinyurl.com/y7tvtcdu

No help with Harry, I'm afraid, but just a comment and correction re your tree on Ancestry, Joanna -

The second family you list for George, with wife Louisa and several children, is incorrect.

That's a different George.
He's with Louisa and children in 1901, in Ashford, Kent, when your George is with Mary Ann and family.
George & Louisa's children all have mms Cobb, so this will be that other George's marriage:
Marriages Mar 1895 (>99%)
Burt George William Bridge 2a 989
Cobb Louisa Rhoda Bridge 2a 989

so..... I dragged myself out (in the snow) to the local research centre to look on the electoral register for the third member of the household (above 1939 Harry & Kathleen Burt, 26 Bensham Manor Road). They have informed me that there is a third person but it is as closed record presumably that person could still be alive. Apparently I can request for the info but may not be fortunate :-(

Will purchase the certs for this "Joseph" and see if it gives any light...... will look for Joseph on here and hope for the best. Feeling like I'm going to hit a blank here

Thank you everyone <3