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Possible twins?

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Marcus

Marcus Report 7 Mar 2018 18:12

Story has it that my 2xgreat grandparents, Thomas Carson, b1854 & Jessie (Nee Spiers), b1856, had twins, but who ultimately 'died in her arms when young'.

I have no idea if this is true, or not, but there is a slight age gap in the surviving children's birth dates.

Their surviving children are - Agnes Maria, b1878 in Blaydon, Co. Durham (My great grandmother), Catherine Swinton, b1880 in Cramlington, Northumberland, Maria Andison, b1885, James Spiers, b1887 & Eva, b1890. Maria, James & Eva born in Pittington, Co. Durham.

My guess is that the twins (?) were born between Catherine in 1880 & Maria in 1885.

I don't know if they were born, or not. If they were, I don't even know if they were named or Baptised/Christened etc........ or how old they were when they died. (Or where).

So, can anyone help? Not much to go on, I know, but would like help to confirm either way.

Thanks.

Nyx

Nyx Report 7 Mar 2018 18:16

Looking at GRO index there don't seem to be any births reg Carson Spiers between Catherine and Maria.

Nyx

Nyx Report 7 Mar 2018 18:21

1911 gives 7 children born alive 5 living

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 7 Mar 2018 18:42

If anything else on below link...

Chris :)

https://www.durhamrecordsonline.com/

Baptisms Durham 1885 Maria Anderson Carson Low Pittington

Baptisms Durham 1890 Eva Carson Pittington, Parish of Hallgarth

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 8 Mar 2018 13:05

No deaths on freebmd for Carson in Durham registration district between 1878 and 1911

Dea

Dea Report 8 Mar 2018 15:05

Allowing for variation on spelling of surname, these were twins who were born to an unmarried woman and who died shortly afterwards:
Births Jun 1870 (>99%)
Spurs Edward Durham 10a 427 Scan available - click to view
Spurs Thomas Durham 10a 427 Scan available - click to view

Deaths Jun 1870 (>99%)
Spurs Edward 0 Durham 10a 213 Scan available - click to view
Spurs Thomas 0 Durham 10a 213 Scan available - click to view

SPURS, EDWARD - Order
GRO Reference: 1870 J Quarter in DURHAM Volume 10A Page 427

SPURS, THOMAS - Order
GRO Reference: 1870 J Quarter in DURHAM Volume 10A Page 427

Could the twins have been born to Jessie before she married??

Might be worth looking further into this one, although she would have been very young?

It's probably not the correct ones but I can see no trace of them after her marriage!

Dea x


Nyx

Nyx Report 8 Mar 2018 15:27

for ref

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Village, Cramlington, Tynemouth, Northumberland, England

Thomas Carson Head Married Male 26 1855 Scotland Grocer Shopowner
Jessie Carson Wife Married Female 23 1858 Berwick on Tweed, Northumberland, England -
Agnes Carson Daughter Single Female 3 1878 Winlaton, Durham, England -
Catherine Carson Daughter Single Female 0 1881 Cramlington, Northumberland, England -
Agnes Spears Mother In Law Widow Female 64 1817 Berwick on Tweed, Northumberland, England

Nyx

Nyx Report 8 Mar 2018 15:29

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Swinton East End, Swinton, Berwickshire, Scotland

James Speirs Head Married Male 70 1801 Hedger Swinton, Berwickshire, Scotland Transcription
Agness Speirs Wife Married Female 58 1813 Wife Of Hedger Swinton, Berwickshire, Scotland
Elizabeth Speirs Daughter Unmarried Female 26 1845 - Swinton, Berwickshire, Scotland
Jessie Speirs Aunt - Female 14 1857 - Swinton, Berwickshire, Scotland
Charlotte Speirs Grand Daughter - Female 4 1867 - Swinton, Berwickshire, Scotland
Agness Speirs Grand Daughter - Female 3 1868 - Swinton, Berwickshire, Scotland

Agnes and Charlotte are daughters of Elizabeth, Jessie's sister, who then married 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Hotel, Swinton, Berwickshire, Scotland

Elizabeth Baikie Wife Married Female 35 1846 Swinton, Berwickshire, Scotland Ag Lab's Wife
Agnes Speirs Daughter - Female 13 1868 Swinton, Berwickshire, Scotland Ag Lab's Daur
Thomas Speirs Son - Male 9 1872 Swinton, Berwickshire, Scotland Scholar
Caroline Baikie Daughter - Female 5 1876 Swinton, Berwickshire, Scotland Scholar
Elizabeth Baikie Daughter - Female 1 1880 Swinton, Berwickshire, Scotland

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Mar 2018 15:29

Nothing to do with Jessie and Thomas - but just to say, in searching for their possible twins, I came across a set of parents (Carson/Harrison) who had three sets of twins within 3 years, in Newcastle upon Tyne. Four of the babies died at birth or very shortly after. Poor parents!

Marcus

Marcus Report 8 Mar 2018 17:34

Thanks guys for your help so far !

I am sure something will turn up eventually, one day.

Thanks.

malyon

malyon Report 9 Mar 2018 16:18

Thomas and Jessie Marriages Mar 1877 (>99%)

CARSON
Thomas

Gateshead
10a
884

SPEIRS
Jessie

Gateshead
10a
884

so Jessie may have had twins before marriage in 1870 name spelt spurs as posted by dea

Marcus

Marcus Report 9 Mar 2018 17:23

Thanks Malyon.

I can't see Jessie having twins in 1870 as previously mentioned as she was born in 1856 and being 14 years old at the time of the twins birth & death.

Not impossible, but I think it highly unlikely even for that time.

Yes, I know the age of marriage has changed over the years, just cannot see her getting pregnant.

Thanks