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Love a hunch that turns up trumps. And as Dea says, something to get you hunting and seeking answers. Best wishes Trudy for your future hunting and come back anytime. Sorry Dea you were too hot to get back to the boards - not!! (laughs here)

Thanks my little greyghost friend - it looks like we both had the same little hunch - I was just far too hot to come back on here when I came back home but it looks like you were able to folllow it through successfully. All's well that ends well, as they say.......

Thanks,

Dea x

P.S. to Trudy - yes, please do come back on here if you need help on any of your queries - we are always very happy to try to help and we get quite excited when there is something new to 'get our teeth into'.

Best wishes,

Dea x

Thank you everyone. I love hunches! You have not only given me my Thomas but a whole new branch on the tree. You have also given me good suggestions for further hunting. Later I may ask for help on other mysteries. Thanks again Trudy

Family in Tynemouth 1881 census - so

?
England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription

First name(s) JOHN
Last name LENNOX
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1837
Age 46
Death quarter 4
Death year 1883
District Tynemouth
County Northumberland
Volume 10B
Page 144
Country England

and ? Jane
England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription

First name(s) JANE
Last name LENNOX
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1837
Age 60
Death quarter 3
Death year 1897
District Gateshead
County Durham
Volume 10A
Page 462

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Regent Street, Westoe, South Shields, Durham, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Jane Lennox Head Widow Female 50 1841 Durham, England Seampstress
Jessie Lennox Daughter Single Female 20 1871 Cumberland, England Dressmaker
Samuel J Lennox Son Single Male 18 1873 Scotland Apprentice Engine Fitter
Joseph G Peace Lodger Married Male 25 1866 Yorkshire, England Engineer Plainer
Minnie Peace Lodger Married Female 23 1868 Yorkshire, England -
John W Peace Lodger Single Male 1 1890 Yorkshire, England -

Family mis transcribed 1871 - Samuel 1868 b Durham would be Robert Samuel

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Kirkborough, Dearham, Cockermouth, Cumberland, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Johnson Head - Male 34 1837 - Shropshire, England
Margaret Johnson Wife - Female 38 1833 - Cumberland, England
Betsy A Johnson Daughter - Female 11 1860 - Cumberland, England
John T Johnson Son - Male 5 1866 - Durham, England
John Lemox Head Boarder - Male 35 1836 - Durham, England
Jane Lemox Wife - Female 34 1837 - Westmorland, England
Samuel Lemox Son - Male 3 1868 - Durham, England
Jessie F Lemox Daughter - Female 0 1871 - Cumberland, England

John is a Lath Splitter - which I can make the birth reg. read for Samuel in Annan!

He is ditto born Darlington from John T Johnson above him and Jane born Kendal, Westmorland, so that looks to be a mistake

Couldn't resist - had a few SP credits spare

Samuel John Lennox born 16 November 1872 ED... Street, Annan to

John Lennox - can't read occupation (could be lath ---?? - as 1881 census) and
Jane Lennox - Maiden surname Cummings
Married January 12th 1868 Durham

EDIT - could be Ednam Street, Annan - there is one showing on google and occupation Lath Splitter as per 1871 census

is this early marriage date to cover birth of Robert Samuel

Seems we're both having "a little hunch" Dea

there is this birth - same area as death of Robert Samuel and ? a son named for him

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
LENNOX, JESSIE FLORENCE CUMMINGS Order
GRO Reference: 1870 D Quarter in COCKERMOUTH Volume 10B Page 525

there are no other Lennox/Cummings births before or after that and no Lennox/Cummings marriages pre 1871

This looks to be the family in 1881 -

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
137, Stephenson Street, Tynemouth, Northumberland, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
John Lennox Head Married Male 42 1839 Kendal, Westmorland, England Lath Render
Jane Lennox Wife Married Female 43 1838 Durham, Durham, England Machinist
Jessie F Lennox Daughter Single Female 10 1871 Maryport, Cumberland, England Scholar
Samuel J Lennox Son Single Male 8 1873 Annan, Dumfriesshire, Scotland Scholar

Now, I am following one of my 'little hunches' on this one so it may be total rubbish but I have to go out now so will post my thoughts on here and see if anyone comesup with anything before I get back...........

IF that is the death of Thomas in 1865 then the last child we found which looked like Jane's would not be Thomas's.....

The child was registered as follows:

MOLE, ROBERT SAMUEL LENNOX mmn CUMMINGS Order
GRO Reference: 1868 M Quarter in DURHAM Volume 10A Page 361

I was trying to follow what happened to Jane after Thomas died and found this 'interesting' marriage:


Marriages Dec 1873 (>99%)
Kilpatrick Mary S.Shields 10a 1216 Scan available - click to view
Lennox John South Shields 10a 1216 Scan available - click to view ********
MOLE Jane Cummings South Shields 10a 1216 Scan available - click to view *******
TRAIN Francis James S.Shields 10a 1216

Now, this 'looks like' 'our' Jane's marriage to the posssible father of her son Robert ??? - What does anyone else think ??

So far, I have only been able to find this 'possible' Jane who is unfortunately a widow on the 1881:


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
1, Trafalgar Strt, Conside cum Knitsley, Lanchester, Durham, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
John Potts Head Married Male 41 1840 Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England Clothier Tailor
Transcription
William Potts Son Single Male 15 1866 Chester Le Street, Durham, England Apprentice Clothier
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John A Potts Son Single Male 13 1868 Chester Le Street, Durham, England Scholar
Transcription
Isabella Potts Daughter Single Female 11 1870 Consett, Durham, England Scholar
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Thomas Potts Son Single Male 9 1872 Consett, Durham, England Scholar
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Frederick Potts Son Single Male 7 1874 Consett, Durham, England Scholar
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Albert Potts Son Single Male 5 1876 Consett, Durham, England Scholar
Transcription
Ethel Potts Daughter Single Female 1 1880 Consett, Durham, England -
Transcription
Thomas Boal Nephew Single Male 12 1869 Jarrow, Durham, England Visitor
Transcription
**Jane Lennox Boarder Widow Female 46 1835 Chester Le Street, Durham, England Dressmaker ??????????
Transcription
Jane A Lowdon Servant Single Female 20 1861 Northumberland, England Domestic Serv


I haven't yet traced 'Robert' but I MUST go now as I am late !!

Will be back later.

Dea x


P.S. - There 'was' a possible death for John ??:

Deaths Jun 1881 (>99%)
Lennox John 66 Gateshead 10a 417

There could be others??

Dea x

Re Robert Samuel Lennox MOLE - a bit of a wild theory (or clutching at straws !!)

Happy to be proved wrong or gaga!

Not finding him anywhere else 1871 or marriage/death as MOLE

?? I wondered IF the Lennox was a nod to a Father?

There is no birth registered in England/Wales or Scotland 1868 +/- 2 years for a Robert Samuel LENNOX but there are these deaths -

Results:
Name: Age at Death (in years): Order:
LENNOX, ROBERT SAMUEL - Order
GRO Reference: 1872 J Quarter in COCKERMOUTH Volume 10B Page 345 Order

LENNOX, ROBERT SAMUEL 4 Order
GRO Reference: 1872 D Quarter in COCKERMOUTH Volume 10B Page 357 Order

Re "boy sailor" - just Google it and similar phrases.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_seaman

https://www.navy-net.co.uk/community/threads/boy-sailors.35016/

http://www.gwpda.org/naval/rnboyest.htm

This 'could' be 'our' Ellen's death?

Deaths Sep 1867
Mole Ellen 8 Durham 10a 209

Her birth confirms she would have ben the correct age:
MOLE, ELLEN CUMMINGS Order
GRO Reference: 1859 S Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 326


This was confirmed as her brother's death shortly after so the family were in the Durham area:
Deaths Dec 1867
Mole Thomas 4 Durham 10a 194

Dea x

oops I was so excited by all the info I gave John Henry's wife's name incorrectly It is Jane Thompson b. 1857

wow you people are so awesome. I don't have experience to find some of these things.
Do any of you know the term "boy sailor"? In the notes I took when I spoke to my father he thought his father Frank Mole had been one. My grandfather Frank never talked about his past to his children. My dad picked up the term while listening in on adults talking. Instead of it applying to his father maybe it applied to his grandfather instead.
Greyghost 1871 is a blank so far. It is like they went poof. Which doesn't happen. In the 1881 census he is married to Jane Cummings and has 2 small children. They lived on Buston Granary St. Alnick West.
Thank you for info on the training ship. It could be the family hit hard times. Trudy

A bit more info re the 1863 Lees death Greyghost posted as a possibility for Thomas's death:

Thomas Mole
in the Leeds, England, Beckett Street Cemetery, 1845-1987
Name: Thomas Mole
Birth Year: abt 1832
Age: 33
Death Date: abt 1865
Burial Date: 26 Apr 1865
Burial Place: Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
Register Type: Burials - Anglicans

Address: 11 Princes Court.

In those days, Ships were often used as childrens homes, Industrial schools etc.

In 1854 the Wellesley was a guard ship in ordinary at Chatham. That same year she became a harbour flagship and receiving ship at Chatham.

In 1868 the Admiralty loaned her to the London School Ship Society, which refitted her as a Reformatory School. She was renamed Cornwall and was moored off Purfleet in April. Later, Cornwall, renamed Wellesey, was moved to the Tyne and served as The Tyne Industrial Training Ship of Wellesley Nautical School.



The Wellesley Nautical School was founded in 1868 by a group of philanthropic businessmen on Tyneside under the leadership of James Hall, 'to provide shelter for Tyneside waifs and train young men for service in both Royal and Merchant Navies.' The first accommodation was on board a Bombay built 74-gun third rate ship of the line HMS Cornwall, which had been launched as HMS Wellesley. This ship was repossessed and replaced circa 1874 by the hulked third rate, HMS Boscawen, moored on the Tyne at North Shields and also renamed T.S. Wellesley. By the early 1900s Wellesley was accepting boys from London, Manchester and Liverpool as well as from Tyneside and Yorkshire.


Dea x

Thomas appears to have have died prior to 1867 as this article about his son's death shows:

Durham County Advertiser 18 October 1867

DEATHS - in this City....

In Gilesgate....... on 13th inst., Thomas, son of the late Mr Thomas Mole, wood-carver, aged 4 years.

Dea x

If you don't already know about this site - then have a look

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp

Gives mmn for births 1837 - 1917 (elsewhere only starts 1911 Q3 and age at death 1837 - 1957 (elsewhere only starts 1866)
Only thing with deaths is it gives in years, but site can't distinguish and show months etc

You have to register, but is free to search. PDF emailed copies of certificates - on an extended trial basis - are only £6 at the moment instead of the usual £9.25. OK if not needed for legal purposes.

Trudy has sent a PM to me. I've replied and asked her to return to the thread.

Also asked where she has any of the family / John Henry in 1871 as she said in OP she had followed him and doesn't have adult Ellen, who would then only be 10/11

Her PM -

wow that was fast.
You have confirmed most of information I have.
A new thought on John Henry which I will explore. I have nothing that would indicate him going to sea. You also brought in possibility of other children of Thomas and Jane which I will also follow. Again no info on them in my notes.
I am not certain about his death. So many Mole lines that use similar given names.
John Henry immigrated to Canada as did several of his children. He is my Great Grandfather.
I will still hunt for Thomas. Thank you for your help Trudy