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Thank you so much Shirley- had no idea there was a freemason site record!
Really interesting.And hugely appreciated.

Thank you all- very kind. :-P

John Tobie Zimmermann
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Name: John Tobie Zimmermann
Gender: Male
Relationship: Self (Head)
Record Type: Certificate
Birth Date: abt 1855
Residence Year: 1886
Residence Place: Middlesex, England
Child: Frederick Theodore Reginald Zimmermann
Hermine Maud Zimmermann

Name: Frederick Theodore Reginald Zimmermann
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 29 Apr 1882
Baptism Place: Tufnell Park St George, Islington, England
Father: John Toble Zimmermann
Mother: Charlotte Agnes Zimmermann


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Name: Frederick Theodore Reginald Zimmermann
Gender: Male
Age: 27
Birth Date: 1882
Marriage Date: 8 Sep 1909
Marriage Place: St. Marks, Surbiton, Surrey, England
Father: John Tobie Zimmermann
Spouse: Jeannie Drew
FHL Film Number: 2262122
Reference ID: 47


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Name: Frederick Theodore Reginald Zimmermann
Age in 1911: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Tufnell Park, Holloway, London, England
Civil Parish: Thames Ditton
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County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address: The Cottage, Summer Road Thames Ditton, Surrey
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 1
Estimated Marriage Year: 1910
Occupation: Secretary To Brickmann Bros Ltd Picture Moulding and Frames Manufrs Of London E C
Registration district: Kingston
Registration District Number: 40
Sub-registration district: Esher
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 119
Piece: 3552
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Theodore Reginald Zimmermann 29
Jeannie Zimmermann 30
Isabel Dorothy Wells 18 occ servant



Frederick Theodore Reginald Zimmermann
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Name: Frederick Theodore Reginald Zimmermann
Gender: Male
Initiation Age: 25
Birth Year: abt 1882
Initiation Date: 11 Apr 1907
First Payment Year on Register: 1907
Year Range: 1887-1909
Profession: Clerk
Lodge: Southwark Lodge
Lodge Number: 879
Folio Number: 75
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And I'd never even heard mention of any of his siblings or parents so all this is really new- as is where Radolfs fitted in.
Knew John or his son was a Sargent in the police so good to see confirmed.

Thank you for all your work and time spend on this. Truly grateful.

John (Tobie) was a witness to his brother's wedding in 1875. Ernst lists his father's occupation as superintendent of police:

Name: Ernest William Theodore Zimmermann
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 16 Oct 1875
Marriage Place: Christ Church, Highbury Grove, Islington, England
Father: John Zimmermann - Superintendent of police
Spouse: Susannah Death
Register Type: Parish Register
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Baptism for Ernst:

Name: Ernst Wilhelm Theodor Zimmermann
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 19 Nov 1845
Baptism Date: 7 Dez 1845 (7 Dec 1845)
Baptism Place: Evangelisch, Offenbach, Starkenburg, Hesse-Darmstadt
Father: Johann Kraft Zimmermann
Mother: Marie Josepfine Hallein
FHL Film Number: 1272723
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Looks as though some of the siblings remained and married in Germany.

That's even better news thank you Austin Q- i have various spellings of Radorf- my father used to say it may have been Rudolf- but he wasn't sure if that was just children's name calling. So that's solved yet another issue- you have been THE most tremendous help - so delighted.
Made my day/ week. :-D
Astounded.

This is John (Tobie) in 1881 with his married sister:

Name: Tobie Zimmerman
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relationship to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Hesse, Germany
Civil Parish: Islington
County/Island: London
Street address: 105 Tufnell Park Rd
Occupation: Picture Dealers Clerk
Sub registration district: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 70
Piece: 245 Folio: 88 Page Number: 46
Name Age
Tobie Zimmerman 25 Picture dealer clerk, Hesse Germany
Martin Radorf 28 Brother-in-law Hesse Germany
Elise Radorf 32 Sister Hesse Germany
Sarah Saddington 18 Servant, Huntingdon
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His sister's baptism:

Name: Friederike Elisabethe Zimmermann
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 19 Dez 1848 (19 Dec 1848)
Baptism Date: 14 Jan 1849
Baptism Place: Evangelisch, Offenbach, Starkenburg, Hesse-Darmstadt
Father: Johann Kraft Zimmermann
Mother: Maria Josephine Hallein
FHL Film Number: 1272723

Her marriage:

Name: Elise Fredericka Zimmermann
Gender: Female
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 24 Jul 1880
Marriage Place: St Peter, Clerkenwell, Islington, England
Father: Johann Kraft Zimmermann
Spouse: Johann Clemens Martin Rudorf
Register Type: Parish Register

One of the witnesses to the marriage was another sibling- Ernst Wilhelm Theodor Zimmermann.

Oh Gosh...a massive thank you for so many informative replies and info!

You make me realise what a novice I am at this- truly heart felt thank you to everyone who replied.

If any of you have the same relatives in your tree, do get in touch.

All very much appreciated x <3

Hermine and Percy's son Kenneth John Pakeman the composer has info on Google about his work.

Maryb.

Charlotte's death:

Name: Charlotte A Zimmermann
Death Age: 72
Birth Date: abt 1854
Registration Date: Dec 1926
Registration district: Kingston
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 2a Page: 620
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Probate:

Name: Charlotte Agnes Zimmermann
Death Date: 20 Nov 1926
Death Place: Surrey, England
Probate Date: 22 Apr 1927
Registry: London, England

Zimmermann Charlotte Agnes of Sun Cottage Ember Court Road Thames Ditton Surrey widow died 26 November 1926 Probate London 22 April to Hermine Maude Pakeman widow. Effects £9614

John's death:

Name: John T Zimmerman
Death Age: 66
Birth Date: abt 1856
Registration Date: Jun 1922
Registration district: Kingston
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 2a Page: 551
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Probate:

Name: Johann Tobias Zimmermann
[John Tobie Zimmermann]
Death Date: 25 Apr 1922
Death Place: Surrey, England
Probate Date: 9 Jun 1922
Registry: London, England

Zimmermann Johann Tobias otherwise John Tobie of 46 Villiers Avenue Surbiton Surrey died 25 April 1922 Probate London 9 June to Charlotte Agnes Zimmermann widow. Effects £14108

Marriage for John's parents:

Name: Johann Kraft Zimmermann
Gender: Male
Age: 32
Birth Date: 21 Sep 1804
Birth Place: Offenbach/M., Hessen, Germany
Marital Status: Single
Marriage Date: 9 Jul 1837
Marriage Place: Offenbach/M., Hessen, Germany
Father: Heinrich Zimmermann
Mother: Maria Katharina Heinzerling

Spouse: Maria Josephine Hallein
Age: 28
Birth Date: 5 Mrz 1809 (5 Mar 1809)
Birth Place: Offenbach/M., Hessen, Germany
Marital Status: Single
Spouse Father: Franz Hallein
Spouse Mother: Elisabetha Weitz
FHL Film Number: 1272727

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Name: Johann Tobias Zimmermann
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 19 Jul 1855
Baptism Date: 8 Aug 1855
Baptism Place: Offenbach (Main), Hessen, Germany
Father: Johann Kraft Zimmermann
Mother: Maria Josephine Hallein
FHL Film Number: 1272724
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There were several siblings

Probate:

Name: Hermine Maude Pakeman
Death Date: 11 May 1961
Death Place: Surrey, England
Probate Date: 26 Sep 1961
Registry: London, England

Pakeman, Hermine Maude of 74 Ewell Road, Surbiton, Surrey widow died 11 May 1961at Kingston Hospital Kingston-upon-Thames Probate London 25 September to Cyril Gordon Hasemore retired bank manager and Kenneth John Pakeman music composer and arranger.
Effects £81637

Charlotte Agnes Greenfield
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Name:
Charlotte Agnes Greenfield
Gender:
Female
Record Type:
Marriage
Marriage Date:
8 Sep 1881
Marriage Place:
St Mark, Myddelton Square, Islington, England
Father:
James George Greenfield
Spouse:
John Tobias Zimmermann

Register Type:
Parish Register

He's a picture frame maker, his father John Kraft Zimmerman, deceased. Her father also deceased.

Possible for Hermine in the 1939 register (although she says birth year 1886):-

Pakeman Household (1 Person)
74 Ewell Road , Surbiton M.B., Surrey, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER

Hermine M Pakeman 07 Jun 1886 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties widow 299 1
Ref: RG101/1384E/017/35 Letter Code:
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1911:

Name: Hermine Maude Pakeman
Age in 1911: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Islington, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Surbiton
County/Island: Surrey
Street address: 18 Guilford Avenue, Surbiton
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 1
Estimated Marriage Year: 1910
Registration district: Kingston
Registration District Number: 40
Sub-registration district: Surbiton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 251 Piece: 3537
Name Age
Percy John Pakeman 28 Islington
Hermine Maude Pakeman 27 Islingotn
Emily Agnes Lilley 19 servant Hampshire
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Hermine on 1939 register:

Name: Hermine M Pakeman
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Widow
Birth Date: 7 Jun 1886
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 74 Ewell Rd
Residence Place: Surbiton, Surrey, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Schedule Number: 299
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: CNHK
Registration district: 30/2
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Hermine's death:

Name: Hermine M Pakeman
Death Age: 78
Birth Date: abt 1883
Registration Date: Jun 1961
Registration district: Surrey Northern
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 5g Page: 352

Marriage for Hermine:

Name: Hermine Maude Zimmermann
Marriage Age: 28
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1882
Marriage Date: 14 Jun 1910
Marriage Place: St Andrew, St Marylebone, Westminster, England
Father: John Tobie Zimmermann
Spouse: Perry John Pakeman
Register Type: Parish Register

John seems to have been born later than you stated-

1891:

Name: Hermine Zimmermann
Gender: Female
Age: 7
Relationship: Daughter
Birth Year: 1884
Father: John Zimmermann
Mother: Charlotte Zimmermann
Birth Place: Islington, London, England
Residence Place: London, Islington, London, England
Sub registration district: Upper Holloway
ED, Institution or Vessel: 25
Piece: 144 Folio: 117
Household Members:
Name Age
John Zimmermann 35 Germany (british subject)
Charlotte Zimmermann 36 Islington
Frederic Zimmermann 9 Islington
Hermine Zimmermann 7 Islington
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1901:
Name: Hermine M Zimmermann
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: John Tabie Zimmermann
Mother: Charlotte Agnes Zimmermann
Birth Place: Islington, London, England
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: London
Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Upper Holloway
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Piece: 162 Folio: 92
Page Number: 2
Household schedule number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
John Tabie Zimmermann 45
Charlotte Agnes Zimmermann 46
Frederick Theo R Zimmermann 19
Hermine M Zimmermann 19
Susan A Banks 15 Servant

This is the reference for the marriage certificate:-

First name(s) Charlotte Agnes
Last name Greenfield
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1881
Registration month -

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Charlotte Agnes Greenfield married one of these people

*******John Tobie Zimmermann,******* George Frederick Farman

District Holborn
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1B
Volume as transcribed 1B
Page number 1122
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005

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