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I have just received death cert of Albert Ricketts( my gt grandfather?) he died in Whittington Hospital, Highgate aged 74 on 6th July 1951, address 77 Camden Street, St Pancras. N Fowler registered his death, living at 79 Villiers Road, Cricklewood.
Albert's occ is Builders Handyman.
This still brings me no closer to confirm my grandfather Frederick Alfred Ricketts and Henry Alfred Ricketts are the same person, Henry Alfred born 23rd Feb 1907 and Frederick Alfred Ricketts death cert gave DOB as 23rd Feb 1909( my mum registered his death and was not certain of year but she had 23rd Feb as definite birth day and month. No over lap in records for Henry and Fred, same place of birth same fathers name and occ and both had sister(Nellie Fowler for Henry) living in Cricklewood. I don' know how I can confirm they are the same person? Is it a case that I will never know for sure? I have friend requested June Fowler on FB( wife of Nellie's son Kenneth Fowler) but no reply. I would so like to tell my mum something I am sure of about her father :-(

See below links...

Chris :)

http://www.roll-of-honour.org.uk/regiments/Manchester_Regiment/html/r_database_4.htm

https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/173447/ricketts,-albert-william/

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/20346187/albert-william-ricketts


Prisoners Of War 1715-1945

(on above FMP, which AQ would have found)

(he died in P.O.W. Camp Hospital, Kuching. Beri Beri.


British Armed Forces And Overseas Deaths And Burials (Find My Past)

First name(s) Albert W
Sex Male
Last name Ricketts
Death year 1945
Service number 3526145
Rank Private
Unit or regiment Manchester Regiment
Type Armed Forces
Page 190
Records year range 1945
Line number 130


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batu_Lintang_camp

(other articles on Camp also, using google search)

AustinQ posted about Albert William Ricketts born 1915 and died 04/08/1945 in Sarawak. Can I get anymore info on his death? I am interested to know more about him and the circumstances of his death? was he in a POW camp?

The Elizabeth Alice Ricketts born 1909 and died 1976 is my nan wife of Frederick, Thanks for confirming Ivy who married Buckle is not my one, I have ordered Ivy death cert in 1923 Pancras and still waiting on death cert for Albert. Great that Choccy has found Kenneth and wife June, it seems that this is the only living relative. My mum registered( my grandfather) Frederick's death in 1972 and her brother registered Elizabeth Alice death( my grand mother) neither of them remember where they got full names and DOB's from, so I am taking info on death certs as guess work, which has lead me up the garden path so many times. Sure I have right Fred/Henry/Alfred Ricketts now.

Kenneth, June and 3 children emigrated to Perth, Australia in 1965. June is on FB.

There's a Fowler family tree on Ancestry. The owner appears to be Kenneth.

If you read back Nicola, I did state not the Robert Buckle Marriage!, image has been checked, she was Ivy Lily Ricketts, Father, Walter, occ. Platelayer.

Ivy Death 1923, either Cert. or Burial Register scan, would give details...

Chris :)

AQ did post some details on Nellie Fowler, on bottom of previous page...


Edits

https://www.deceasedonline.com/

Burial Register summary
Ricketts Elizabeth Alice
Burial date 04 June 1976
Location Newham


Deaths Jun 1976 (>99%)
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RICKETTS ELIZABETH ALICE 2AP1909 HACKNEY 12 1326


Deaths Mar 1972 (>99%)
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RICKETTS Frederick 23Fe1909 Hackney 5b 1839

(not seeing him on above index)


(AQ did ask earlier)

What were the details on Frederick's death certificate- in particular his address?

(did you find Death Cert.?)

(Hagerstown, was mentioned, perhaps Haggerston, would be in Borough of Hackney)

London Electoral Registers

1958

Sidney J Fowler, Nellie E, Kenneth J and June E all living at

299 Byron Road, Harrow.

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In 1961 Sidney and Nellie are still at 299 Byron Road and Kenneth and June are now living at 303 Byron Road.

1939 Register


37 Warren Road, Willesden M.B., Middlesex, England

Fowler household
(3 people)

Sidney J Fowler 15 Nov 1903 Male Home & Export Packer Che Married 150 1
Nellie E Fowler 30 Dec 1901 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 150 2

The record for this person is officially closed. ?

I don't see Nellie and Sidney in 1939.


???
Sidney James Fowler
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Sidney James Fowler
Death Age: 87
Birth Date: 15 Nov 1903
Registration Date: Dec 1990
Registration district: Windsor and Maidenhead
Inferred County: Berkshire
Volume: 19
Page: 767


??
Nelly Elizabeth Fowler
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Nelly Elizabeth Fowler
Death Age: 91
Birth Date: 30 Dec 1901
Registration Date: Jan 1993
Registration district: Slough
Inferred County: Berkshire
Register Number: B16C
District and Subdistrict: 3211B
Entry Number: 52

No I don't, not sure I can order birth cert for living person( haven't found death), doesn't seem right anyway. Other births for Ivy Ricketts and Robert T Buckle are Ronald F Buckle born 1928, Holborn, Douglas R Buckle born 1930, Finsbury and Daphne F Buckle born 1938 Islington. I have ordered this Ivy's marriage cert to make sure the DOB and father are correct. It could be my Ivy that died in 1922.

For our reference:

Kenneth J Fowler
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1916-2007
Name: Kenneth J Fowler
Registration Date: Jan 1934
[Feb 1934]
[Mar 1934]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Islington
Inferred County: London
Mother's Maiden Name: Ricketts
Volume Number: xx
Page Number: xxx

There's a possible marriage in Surrey in 1954, to a June E Fry.


Do you know what his middle initial stands for?
Or his exact date of birth?

Taken awhile to look through this info but all sounds relevant.
It seems this is the right Henrietta in Dartford and not the one who married John Agg in 1918. Ivy Buckle living in islington(Loraine Buildings, my in 1939 with husband Robert Buckle, they had 3 children or was my Ivy the one that died in 1922 aged 19? I will get to the bottom of this, ordering more certs and still need to find Kenneth son of Nellie and Sidney Fowler born 1934. Thanks all

Below Records held at LMA (London Metropolitan Archives) might be worth a look!.

Darenth Park Hospital, Dartford
Admission & Discharge
1891 - 1986

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/hospitalrecords/details.asp?id=36

Chris :)

(1930 (Electoral) Henrietts still at home, with Albert, Alice Elizabeth, 26, Drummond Crescent. 1932 Henrietta with Albert)


Edits (AQ posted below earlier)

Albert's wife Henrietta died in 1922 and Albert remarried in 1923 to Alice Elizabeth Cook. I think wife, Alice Elizabeth, died in 1930. From at least 1915- 1932 Albert lived at 26 Drummond Crescent, St Pancras.

(adds)

Burial Register summary
Ricketts Alice Eliz
Burial date 27 December 1930
Location Camden

https://www.deceasedonline.com/

It has to be 'our' Henrietta - we know she was in Darenth in 1939 as she had the correct date of birth on the index !

I cannot believe that they had 2 different Henrietta Ricketts' in there with dates of birth within a year of each other !! - It is not a common name and there is no birth reg, for a Henrietta Louisa to fit. - The death details must be incorrect !

Dea x

Saw below from FMP...(Birth for her not shouting out though!)...

Chris :)

Kent Burials
First Name Henrietta Louisa
Last name Ricketts
Birth year 1900
Age 56
Burial year 1956
Burial date 25 May 1956
Burial ground Darenth Asylum Cemetery
Place Darenth, Asylum Cemetery
County Kent
Document reference 656
Record set Kent Burials

In view of where she was in 1939, I wonder if this could be Henrietta's death?

Name: Henrietta L Ricketts
Death Age: 56
Birth Date: abt 1900
Registration Date: Apr 1956
[May 1956]
[Jun 1956]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Dartford ***
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 5b
Page: 418

Dea x

Well, this is Henrietta in 1939 (her birth date matches the birth date given on her baptism register entry:


Henrietta C Ricketts's life in 1939 (the intial 'C' is not clear on image and obviously should be 'E')
Darenth Park Darenth Park, Dartford R.D., Kent, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Henrietta C Ricketts 06 Jul 1899 Female None, Detained Under Mental Deficiency Acts Single 8 51
Ref: RG101/1813I/012/34 Letter Code: DJEG

She is in Darenth Park alongside hundreds of others! - You can read some info regarding the Hospital / School here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darenth_Park_Hospital

Dea x

So this would be below couple, the Parents...

Chris :)

Marriages Dec 1898 (>99%)
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Ricketts Albert Westminster 1a 1121
Salter Henrietta Westminster 1a 1121


Westminster Marriages (Find My Past)

First Name Henreetta (Spinster)
Last name Salter
Age 20
Birth year 1878
Marriage year 1898
Parish St Anne, Soho
Spouse's first name(s) Albert (Bachelor occ. Bricklayer)
Spouse's last name Ricketts
Spouse age 22
Spouse's birth year 1876
Father's first name(s) Henry (occ. Gardener)
Father's last name Salter
Spouse's father's first name(s) Albert (occ. Painter)
Spouse's father's last name Ricketts
County Middlesex
Archive City of Westminster Archives Centre
Record set Westminster Marriages
(Residence at Time, him, 122, Newport Rd. her 55, Newport Rd. wits. Henry Charles Cooper, Maggie Fleming)


Edits (AQ posted earlier, below)

Birth:
RICKETTS, HENRY ALFRED (mother's maiden name: SALTER)
GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in ST. PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 64

(I don't see any other records for a Henry Alfred Ricketts after the 1911 census- unless I'm missing it)

1911:

Street address: 28 Sidney Street, St Pancras
Name Age
Albert Ricketts Head 34 Building Trade Brompton
Henrietta Ricketts Wife 32 Westminster
Henrietta Ellen Ricketts daughter 11 St Pancras
Nelly Elizabeth Ricketts daughter 9 St Pancras
Ivy Lydia Ricketts daughter 7 St Pancras
Henry Alfred Ricketts son 4 St Pancras

(adds below)

1901 (Find My Past)
Albert Rickett Head Married Male 24 1877 Bricklayers Labr Brompton
Henriette Rickett Wife Married Female 23 1878 - London, England
Henrietta Rickett Daughter - Female 1 1900 - St Pancras, Middlesex, England
28, Sidney Street, St Pancras, London & Middlesex


(from AQ earlier)

Baptism of later child:
Name: Albert William Ricketts
Baptism Age: 0
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 13 Jun 1915
Baptism Date: 28 1915
Baptism Place: Saint Pancras Parish Church, Camden, England
Father: Albert Ricketts -HOUSE PAINTER
Mother: Henrietta Ricketts
Abode: 25 Drummond Crescent
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Marriage of Nelly Elizabeth:

Name: Nellie Elizabeth Ricketts
Residence: 257 Hampton Road
Marriage Age: 27
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1902
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1929
Marriage Place: St Matthew, St Pancras, Camden, England
Father: Albert Ricketts- PAINTER
Spouse: Sidney James Fowler


Name: Ivy Lydia Ricketts
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 14 Aug 1904 (Born July 4th 1904)
Baptism Place: Somers Town St Mary the Virgin, Camden, England
Father:Albert Ricketts
Mother: Henrietta Ricketts


Name: Henrietta Ellen Ricketts
Gender: Female
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date:20 Sep 1899 (Born July 6th 1899)
Baptism Place: St Pancras St Saviour, Camden, England
Father: Albert Ricketts
Mother: Henrietta Ricketts


Name: Nelly Elizabeth Ricketts
Gender: Female
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 9 Feb 1902 (Born Dec. 30th 1901)
Baptism Place: Somers Town St Mary the Virgin, Camden, England
Father: Albert Ricketts
Mother: Henrietta Ricketts


(not below Marriages, images checked)

Marriages Sep 1918 (>99%)
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Ricketts Henrietta E Agg Paddington 1a 95


Marriages Mar 1928 (>99%)
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Ricketts Ivy L Buckle Pancras 1b 9


(if you mean below Death)


Deaths Sep 1923 (>99%)
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Ricketts Ivy 19 Pancras 1b 76


Burial Register summary
Ricketts Ivy
Burial date 01 September 1923
Location Camden

(again, images can be viewed!, 1922 Electoral, Albert, 26, Drummond Street)

https://www.deceasedonline.com/


1891 (Find My Past)
Henry Salter Head Widower Male 55 1836 Gardener Somerset, England
Henrietta Salter Daughter - Female 11 1880 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
Warren Street, St Pancras, London & Middlesex

Can anyone find Henry Alfred Ricketts siblings? Henrietta born 1900? Ivy Lydia born 1904 looks like her death in 1922 and Nellie married Sidney Fowler and had son Kenneth in 1934( only one I found but no marriage for him? and we know Albert William born 1915 died in 1945.