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John Speirs/Spiers (added to Sept 2023)

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Dea Report 30 Aug 2018 14:43

It looks like a very strange coincidence but this John has the same date of birth as 'your' John and a VERY similar name !!!

I cannot find a connection but also I cannot trace these people back to discount them.

Can anyone else see where they have come from?

1939 Register:
Spiers-Williams Household (4 People) 43 Sheldon Road , Sheffield C.B., Yorkshire (West Riding), England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Occupation
John Spiers-Williams 13 Dec 1900 Costing Clerk
Nancy Spiers-Williams 28 Nov 1898 Unpaid Domestic Duties
Jack Williams 29 May 1913 Snow Grinder
Dorothy Pritchard 09 Feb 1855 Incapacitated

Dea x

OOOhhh - apologies Maryb - it seems that you already posted this one on previous page - I obviously missed it but the fact remains that it is still a puzzle and I would at least like to trace something about these psople either before or after 1939. They are very elusive???

Dea x


Mary Report 30 Aug 2018 15:12

Beats me Dea,could he have been a deserter from WW1 and changed his name slightly??



Yvonne Report 30 Aug 2018 21:56

Okay, this is getting very complicated. What do I know exactly?
John Speirs was born in 1900 to parents Thomas Speirs and Margaret Catherine Brock. John had 7 siblings - 3 brothers and 4 sisters.

He was my granddad's brother. In 1901 census he was shown as 3 mths old living at 55 Boaler Street, W. Derby, Liverpool - this is definitely the correct family.

John's older siblings were born at 2 Derby Grove so he could've been born either at Derby Grove or Boaler Street. I guess I'd have to get the birth certificate to check.

As to him going to S. Africa this is all I know. A nephew remembers his mother talking about 'our Jack' who went to S. Africa. A granddaughter of one of the sisters also remembers talk of him going to S. Africa. That is all that is known.

Hope this helps.


Yvonne Report 30 Aug 2018 21:58

I should also add that both of John's parents died prior to 1939 - Margaret Catherine in 1913 and Thomas in 1938.


lancashireAnn Report 30 Aug 2018 22:54

I wonder if you got a copy of Father Thomas’s will it would throw any light on it.


Yvonne Report 30 Aug 2018 23:39

Sorry Ann, you've got me there. How would that help?


ErikaH Report 31 Aug 2018 09:07

Re Mary’s last posting. I don’t think WW1 would have any relevance, as he was only 17 when it ended.


ErikaH Report 31 Aug 2018 09:26

Name: Thomas Speirs
Death Date: 2 May 1938
Death Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Probate Date: 2 Jun 1938
Registry: Liverpool, England

Admin to Thomas James Speirs, Bus driver
£221 17s 10d

Depending on when the Will was written, it may refer to John and his location

I can find no other record of ANY of the people with John Speirs-Williams on 1939 register

Looking at the image, Nancy's birth year as transcribed is a pencilled-in amendment, changing it from 1900


lancashireAnn Report 31 Aug 2018 11:44

I wonder if it is an enumerator error on that 1939 record. Translating one person who said Speirs and the other Williams both stating married so he put the 2 together.

There is a Nancy Williams in the death registers with birth date of 28/11/1900. There are 2 but the Nancy Lena Gladys never married

clutching at straws here


ErikaH Report 31 Aug 2018 14:16

'Straws' are all we!

The lady to whom you referred, lancashireann

Births Mar 1901 (>99%)
Williams Nancy Lena G Cricklade 5a 51

Name: Nancy Lena G Williams
Death Age: 94
Birth Date: 28 Nov 1900
Registration Date: Apr 1995
Registration district: Swindon
Inferred County: Wiltshire
Register Number: C44B
District and Subdistrict: 7961C


Yvonne Report 31 Aug 2018 16:52

I can't see how this family can be my John's family - there is no Nancy or Williams in his family as far as I know. There has never, to my knowledge, been any talk of Sheffield. Maybe I should get the marriage certificate for this John and see who his father is. My John was born in Liverpool and lived in Liverpool until at least the 1911 census. I can't find him in the 1939 Register. There have been different spellings of the name - Speers, Speirs and Spiers and I've tried all of them but can't find him in the 1939 Register - I'm thinking that he must've gone to S. Africa before then.


ErikaH Report 31 Aug 2018 16:58

So you don't think that the birth date given in 1939 is more than just coincidence?

There is no online record of his travelling to SA - not that it means he didn't go.

You have be open-minded about FH - people told fibs

Which marriage cert are you referring to now?


Yvonne Report 31 Aug 2018 17:20

Yes it could be a coincidence so maybe I should start there and get that birth certificate. The fact that two families connected to John, as I mentioned, and were not aware of each other until a few years ago, both have recollections of it being mentioned he went to S. Africa make me pretty sure he did. He's definitely a mystery.


Yvonne Report 31 Aug 2018 19:28

I've just ordered the birth certificate for John to make sure I have the actual birth date and not just the year - order PDF so should have it in a week.


AustinQ Report 1 Sep 2018 07:09

Name: John Spier
Birth Date: 13 Dec 1900
Baptism Date: 6 Feb 1901
Baptism Place: Kensington, Christ Church, Lancashire, England
Father: Thomas Spier (policeman)
Mother: Margaret Catherine Spier
Abode: 2 Derby Grove


Elizabeth Report 1 Sep 2018 15:28

possible 3 children from the Spiers - Morgan Marriage born in 1920,1922, 1924, but cannot find any marriages for them. If this is the family they were still in uk in1924


Dea Report 1 Sep 2018 15:54

Thanks Elizabeth but I think that Spiers / Morgan marriage has been discounted as not being for 'our' John !! - He had the wrong father !

Dea x


Yvonne Report 1 Sep 2018 17:03

I found that baptism yesterday but it didn't show birth date so must've been a different site ... way to go Austin. I should've waited on ordering that birth certificate ... oh well.



ErikaH Report 2 Sep 2018 09:05

The Spiers/ Morgan marriage was for a 31 year old man as per postings on page one of this thread


Elizabeth Report 2 Sep 2018 13:00

so he didn't marry a Morgan then as stated in original post