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I am totally miffed!!!!!!!!!!!!

She married Benjamin Nevill 1835 Woodford Essex 14 Jun 1857 West Ham.

I need to find the right parents for her.
I have looked on Family Search and on Ancestry and found a baptism in Terling but the parents were John and Sophia.

Someone has her on their tree on Ancestry with parents William Cousins and Frances Spencer and a lot of siblings. I am not sure??????

I have been on this all day and am getting knowhere. Trouble is there are so many different spellings for Cousins, Cousens, Couzens, Cozens etc.

I need some new eyes and help from you lot please?

I have everything from her marriage down to me but I am stuck stuck stuck on her....

Mel

Well the marriage cert should name her father and his occupation

Yes I know that Shirley but I hav'nt ordered it yet.

On the census I have found her on she says she is born Lambourne or Epping or Abridge all in Essex.

The William and Frances one in 1841:

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Alms Houses, Theydon Garnon, Epping, Essex, England

William Couzins Male 20 1821 Essex, England
Fanny Couzins Female 20 1821 Essex, England
William Couzins Male 9 1832 Essex, England
Hannah Couzins Female 8 1833 Essex, England
Emma Couzins Female 7 1834 Essex, England
Sarah Couzins Female 2 1839 Essex, England
Ann Couzins Female 1 1840 Essex, England

Theydon Garnon is only 2 or 3 miles from Abridge and four or so miles from Lambourne.

(Not sure why William and Fanny are aged 20 in 1841, they seem to be more realistically aged in 1851).

The family in 1851 without Hannah:

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Black Acre Farm, Theydon Bois, Epping, Essex, England

William Couzens Head Married Male 44 1807 Agricultural Labourer Epping, Essex, England
Fanny Couzens Wife Married Female 42 1809 - Lambourne, Essex, England
Emma Couzens Daughter Unmarried Female 14 1837 - Lambourne, Essex, England
Sarah Couzens Daughter - Female 12 1839 - Lambourne, Essex, England
Ann Couzens Daughter - Female 10 1841 - Essex, England
Charles Couzens Son - Male 8 1843 - Essex, England
George Couzens Son - Male 5 1846 - Essex, England
James Couzens Son - Male 3 1848 - Essex, England
John Couzens Son - Male 0 1851 - Essex, England

Children Emma and Sarah are born LAMBOURNE, Ann, Charles and George are born Theydon Garnon, and James and John are born Theydon Bois.

EDIT: MMN Spencer for Sarah (born Lambourne acc to 1851 census)

COUZENS, SARAH SPENCER
GRO Reference: 1838 S Quarter in ONGAR Volume 12 Page 157

also John born Theydon Bois:

COUZENS, JOHN SPENCER
GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in EPPING UNION Volume 12 Page 114

If you think William and Fanny are right ( or if the marriage cert for Hannah confirms it), then 1851 census above, says William was born c1807 Epping, Essex.

This could be his baptism?

England, Essex Parish Registers

Name William Cozens
Event Type Christening
Event Date 29 Nov 1807
Event Place , Epping, Essex, England
Gender Male
Birth Date 30 Oct 1807
Father's Name Abraham Cozens
Mother's Name Ann Cozens

Might this be Abraham and Ann in census 1851?

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Griffith Cottage, Fiddlers Green, Thoydon Garnon, Epping, Essex, England

Abraham Cozens Head Married Male 69 1782 Labr Essex, England Image says Northweald)
Ann Cozens Wife - Female 69 1782 - Lambourne, Essex, England
George Cozens Son - Male 29 1822 Labr Essex, England (Image says Theydon Garnon)

Image says Abraham born Northweald.

Familysearch has several more baptisms for children of Abraham and Ann, William's was the earliest in 1807, through to an Ann in 1827.

Abraham and Ann in 1841?

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Coopersale Street, Theydon Garnon, Epping, Essex, England

Abraham Coznis Male 55 1786 Essex, England
Ann Coznis Female 50 1791 Essex, England
George Coznis Male 15 1826 Essex, England
Ann Coznis Female 15 1826 Essex, England
Robert Seach Male 40 1801 Essex, England

Ooo thank you Kucinta and Erika.

I had to go out but before I did I found Hannah on the 1851.

1851
Name: Hannah Cosens
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Abridge, Essex, England
Civil Parish: Stratford le Bow
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Bow
ED, institution, or vessel: 1c
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 28
Piece: 1555
Folio: 35
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Fredk Chapman 32
Matilda Chapman 27
Hannah Cosens 18<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

I thought the Terling one was wrong but I shall have to get the marriage cert anyway.


Thanks once again and you can see how hard it is to find the name Cousins etc. even more spellings now.

I found these births.

COUZENS, JOHN SPENCER
GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in EPPING UNION Volume 12 Page 11

COZENS, ANN SPENCER
GRO Reference: 1841 J Quarter in EPPING UNION Volume 12 Page 89

COZENS, CHARLES SPENCER
GRO Reference: 1843 D Quarter in EPPING UNION Volume 12 Page 99

Was she Hannah Rebecca 1834-1905 married to Benjamin Robert Nevill?

The site Geni has someone with Hannah Rebecca born 23/2/1834.

Still no good even with middle name to look for.

Maryb.

Spellings certainly vary! :-(

And not that much on the way of free Essex parish records online.

Can't find Abraham's baptism c1782-86 North Weald.

Fanny says born c1809 Lambourne in census 1851.

This is the nearest I can get, if maybe she was being economical with her age...

England Births and Christenings

Name Frances Spencer
Gender Female
Christening Date 09 Dec 1804
Christening Date (Original) 09 DEC 1804
Christening Place Thoydon-Garnon, Essex, England
Father's Name John Spencer
Mother's Name Mary

If this is Abraham's death aged 71, it gives a birth year of c1786:

COUSINS, ABRAHAM 71
GRO Reference: 1857 S Quarter in EPPING UNION Volume 04A Page 39

That all looks good to me.

Mary yes I think she was Hannah Rebecca but she never used used it.

Tired now so am giving it up for tonight.

Night night Mel

Don't know if you have this?

Baptism of Hannah Rebecca Couzens.
23 February 1834 at St Mary and All Saints, Lambourne, Essex
Father: William. A labourer.
Mother: Frances.
Residing: Abridge

Seax
Reference: D/P 181/1/5 (image 36)

Chris

I checked for the marriage of Benjamin and Hannah but it is not in the Parish Registers for West Ham. Maybe non conformist or a register office marriage? So it looks like you would have to buy the certificate.

Chris

Kucinta said "And not that much on the way of free Essex parish records online."

This is far from true for paid records, but you need to buy a sub - it costs 10/20/30/more GBP for 1day/1week/1month/longer - see:
http://seax.essexcc.gov.uk/ParishRegisters.aspx

Just had a thought......The marriage you quoted as 14 Jun 1857 West Ham, for Benjamin and Hannah, where did you get the exact date and place from?

If 'West Ham' is the registration district, and not the specific place for the marriage, then there are 7 other parishes to search.

If it is the Registration District then I can have a look at the other parishes, just let me know......Unless, of course, you have already ordered the certificate!

Chris

Thanks again one and all.

No Chris I did'nt have the Baptism of Hannah Rebecca Couzens so thanks for that. She was my Gt Gt Gran.

No I hav'nt ordered the cert yet. I had the date from LDS but I am not very good at looking on that site now they have changed it all. I liked it when you could put in parents names and up would come all their children.

I would love it if you could look at the other parishes for me, thank you.

Benjamin was a Hay Dealer and it seems it was passed down father to son and Bens son Benjamin carried it on.

Mel

I am happy to have a look for you and will do so tomorrow (Sunday).

Chris