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Hi I have a John McAlpine born 1831 Linlithgow Scotland his parents were George & Jessie/Cecilia Liddle, I have he married Margaret Hall 1852 Northumberland 1961 in Linlithgow 71 Northumberland 81 Northumberland then nothing their is a death 1887 Northumberland that seems to fit? .

I have been thinking of joining My heritage as they have records from USA etc that you can view ?? whilst looking into it I have a match with some one on there for John and they have it he died 24 Feb 1914 Ontario Canada ?

It has me wondering if I have been following the right person I can't get in touch with this person as I'm not a paid up member so I was hoping some one can find this John McAlpine who died 1914 to see if it could be the same person


Thank you

So for our info only, this is your John.

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census

141, High Street, Linlithgow, West Lothian, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George McAlpine Head Married Male 41 1810 Tailor England
Cecilia McAlpine Wife Married Female 41 1810 - Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland
John McAlpine Son Unmarried Male 19 1832 Journeyman Shoe Maker Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland
Thomas McAlpine Son Unmarried Male 15 1836 Journeyman Shoe Maker Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland
George McAlpine Son - Male 12 1839 Scholar Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland
Margaret McAlpine Daughter - Female 9 1842 Scholar Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland
William McAlpine Son - Male 6 1845 Scholar Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland
Francis McAlpine Son - Male 3 1848 - Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland
Cecilia McAlpine Daughter - Female 0 1851 - Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census

High Street, Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John McAlpine Head Married Male 27 1834 Shoemaker Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland
Margaret McAlpine Wife Married Female 27 1834 - Berwick on Tweed, Northumberland, England
Robert McAlpine Son Unmarried Male 7 1854 Scholar Berwick on Tweed, Northumberland, England
George McAlpine Son Unmarried Male 4 1857 - Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland
Celia McAlpine Daughter Unmarried Female 2 1859 - Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Walkergate Lane, Berwick, Northumberland, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John McAlpine Head - Male 38 1833 - Scotland
Margaret McAlpine Wife - Female 40 1831 - Northumberland, England
George McAlpine Son - Male 15 1856 - Northumberland, England
Celia McAlpine Daughter - Female 12 1859 - Northumberland, England
John McAlpine Son - Male 9 1862 - Northumberland, England
Thomas McAlpine Son - Male 6 1865 - Northumberland, England
William McAlpine Son - Male 4 1867 - Northumberland, England
Francis McAlpine Son - Male 0 1871 - Northumberland, England




1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census

196, Parker Street, Byker, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Mc Calpine Head Married Male 50 1831 Labourer Common Scotland
Margaret Mc Calpine Wife Married Female 51 1830 - Berwick on Tweed, Northumberland, England
John Mc Calpine Son Single Male 18 1863 Painter Scotland
Thomas Mc Calpine Son Single Male 15 1866 Errand Boy Scotland
William Mc Calpine Son Single Male 12 1869 Scholar Berwick on Tweed, Northumberland, England

John McAlpine

in the Ontario, Canada, Deaths and Deaths Overseas, 1869-1946
View Ontario, Canada, Deaths and Deaths Overseas, 1869-1946

Name: John McAlpine
Gender: Male
Age: 83
Birth Date: abt 1831
Birth Place: Scotland
Death Date: 24 Feb 1914
Death Place: York, Ontario, Canada
Cause of Death: Senile Decay

retired clergyman
lived 619 huron street

Name: Jno Mcalpine
Age: 83
Birth Year: 1831
Birth Place: Scotland
Death Date: 24 Feb 1914
Death Place: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Burial Date: 26 Feb 1914
Burial Place: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Cemetery Section: 6 68 2
Cemetery: Mount Pleasant Cemetery
Ground Property Owner: Grace Mcalpine --------------
Relative Name: G McAlpine
Relative Residence Place: 617 Huron St

Name: John McAlpine
Gender: Male
Arrival Age: 75
Birth Year: abt 1831
Departure Port: Glasgow, Scotland
Arrival date: 10 Jul 1906
Arrival Port: Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Vessel: Numidian
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a clergyman

1911
Name: John Mc Alpine
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Race or Tribe: Scotch (Scotish)
Age: 79
Birth Date: Oct 1831
Birth Place: Scotland
Census Year: 1911
Relation to Head of House: Father-in-law
Immigration Year: 1908
Province: Ontario
District: Toronto North
District Number: 126
Sub-District: 83 - Ward four
Sub-District Number: 83
Place of Habitation: 617 Huron St
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James F Whitson 47
Anna M Whitson 35
Jenet M Whitson 10
Duncan D Whitson 8
John Mc Alpine 79
Grace Mc Alpine 63 -------------

1881
John McAlpine
Gender Male
Age 50y
Birth Year 1831
Birthplace Scotland
Marital Status Married
Occupation Minister
Ethnicity Scottish
Religion Presb
Head of Household Name John Mcalpine
Event Place St-Mary's, Perth South, Ontario, Canada
District Number 171
Sub-District B
Division 1
Family Number 72
Affiliate Film Number C-13270
Household

Role

Sex

Age

Birthplace
John McAlpine M 50y Scotland
Grace McAlpine F 40y Scotland
Robert McAlpine M 14y East Indies
Duncan McAlpine M 12y Scotland
Annie McAlpine F 10y Scotland
Citing this Record

"Canada Census, 1881," database with images, FamilySearch

Name: Duncan Mcalpine
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 4 Feb 1868
Birth Place: Dundee,Angus,Scotland
Father: John Mcalpine
Mother: Grace Thomson
FHL Film Number: 6035516

John Mcalpine
Spouse's Name Grace Thomson
Event Date 12 Jul 1865
Event Place Bo'Ness,West Lothian,Scotland
Citing this Record

"Scotland Marriages, 1561-1910," database, FamilySearch

This is the John who died in Canada.

Name: John McAlpine
Birth Date: 1831
Death Date: 14 Mar 1914
Cemetery: Mount Pleasant Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Toronto, Toronto Municipality, Ontario, Canada
Has Bio?: N
Spouse: Grace McAlpine
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/mem...

EDIT Whoops, wrong date.

His wife's death

Name: Margaret McAlpine
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Registration Year: 1885
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 56
Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume: 10b
Page: 90

Census for the one who died in Ontario

Name John Mcalpine
Event Type Census
Event Date 31 Mar 1901
Event Place Toronto (west/ouest) (city/cité), Ontario, Canada
Gender Male
Age 70
Marital Status Married
Nationality Canadian
Ethnicity Scotch
Religion Presbyterian
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1831
Birthplace Scotland
Immigration Year 1872***********************
Page 17

Possibly the John and Grace in Canada.


Canada Census 1911

James F Whitson Male 1869 Ontario, Canada Head
Anna M Whitson Female 1875 Scotland Wife
Janet M Whitson Female 1900 Ontario, Canada Daughter
Duncan D Whitson Male 1903 Ontario, Canada Son
John McAlpine Male 1831 Scotland Father In Law
Grace McAlpine Female 1847 Scotland Mother In Law



Canada Census 1901


John McAlpine Male 1830 clergyman Scotland Head
Grace McAlpine Female 1850 Scotland Wife

Thank you for that I think the retired Clergyman did it so it looks as though I was following the right John

Thought it was strange this other tree had 2 john's listed possibly they couldn't make their minds up

Thank you

Other peoples' trees should not be trusted unless they show proof of their 'findings'

That is why I try and check them but when you haven't got world wide ancestry you have to rely on people helping which is appreciated and this is why I was looking into my heritage at the moments it's £92 for the year I only paid £76 for ancestry

Thank you

son duncan
Name: Dr Duncan McAlpine
Birth Date: 4 Feb 1868
Birth Place: Scotland
Death Date: 3 Jan 1914
Death Place: Ottawa County, Michigan, United States of America
Cemetery: Lake Forest Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Grand Haven, Ottawa County, Michigan, United States of America
Has Bio?: N
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/mem...

Name: Duncan McAlpine
Gender: Male
Age: 45
Race: White
Birth Year: 1868
Death Date: 3 Jan 1914
Death Place: Grand Haven, Ottawa, Michigan, USA
Father: John McAlpine
Mother: Grace McAlpine

his mother
Name: Grace McAlpine
Birth Date: 1844
Birth Place: Scotland
Death Date: 28 Mar 1924
Cemetery: Mount Pleasant Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Toronto, Toronto Municipality, Ontario, Canada
Has Bio?: N
Spouse: John McAlpine
URL: https://www.findagrave.com

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The 1887 death in Tynemouth district is for a man 10 years older

Deaths Mar 1887 (>99%)
McAlpine John 65 Tynemouth 10b 170

He is on censuses with wife Mary

Name: Annie Mcnaughton Mcalpine
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 24 Jul 1869
Birth Place: Dundee,Angus,Scotland
Father: John Mcalpine
Mother: Grace Thomson
FHL Film Number: 6035516


Name: Annie Mcnaughton McAlpine
Age: 28
Birth Year: abt 1870
Birth Place: Scotland
Marriage Date: 8 Jun 1898
Marriage Place: York, Ontario, Canada
Father: John McAlpine
Mother: Grace S Thomson McAlpine
Spouse: James Francis Whitson

Name: Annie Whitson
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Age: 30
Birth Day & Month: 24 Jul
Birth Year: 1870
Birthplace: Scotland
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Immigration Year: 1872
Racial or Tribal Origin: Scotch (Scotish)
Nationality: Canadian
Religion: Presbyterian
Province: Ontario
District: Toronto (west/ouest) (city/cité)
District Number: 118
Sub-District: Toronto (West/Ouest) (City/Cité) Ward/Quartier No 5
Sub-District Number: C-35
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
James F Whitson 36
Annie Whitson 30
Janet M Whitson 2/12

Name: Annie Whitson
Maiden Name: McAlpine
Death Date: 27 Nov 1954
Cemetery: Mount Pleasant Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Toronto, Toronto Municipality, Ontario, Canada
Has Bio?: N
Spouse: James F Whitson
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/mem...

Name: James F Whitson
Birth Date: 1868
Birth Place: Sudbury, Sudbury District, Ontario, Canada
Death Date: 12 Jun 1920
Death Place: Toronto, Toronto Municipality, Ontario, Canada
Cemetery: Mount Pleasant Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Toronto, Toronto Municipality, Ontario, Canada
Has Bio?: N
Spouse: Annie Whitson
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/mem...

Name: James F Whitson
Gender: Male
Age: 56
Birth Date: abt 1864
Birth Place: Near Collingwood On Farm
Death Date: 12 Jun 1920
Death Place: Sudbury, Ontario, Canada
Cause of Death: Cardiac Failure

1901
James F Whitson
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 36
Birth Day & Month: 31 Jul
Birth Year: 1864
Birthplace: Ontario
Relation to Head of House: Head
Racial or Tribal Origin: Scotch (Scotish)
Nationality: Canadian
Religion: Presbyterian
Occupation: Civil Servant
Province: Ontario
District: Toronto (west/ouest) (city/cité)
District Number: 118
Sub-District: Toronto (West/Ouest) (City/Cité) Ward/Quartier No 5
Sub-District Number: C-35
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
James F Whitson 36
Annie Whitson 30
Janet M Whitson 2/12



Name
Robert McA Whitson
Gender
Male
Age
0
Religion
Presbyterian
Birth Date
abt 1900
Birth Place
Toronto, Ontario
Death Date
24 Jan 1900
Death Place
York, Ontario, Canada
Cause of Death
Chronic Indigestion
Household Members



Name
Janet Whitson Goodwin
Cemetery
Mount Pleasant+, Toronto
Burial Place
York (incl. Toronto), Ontario, Canada
Notes
In Loving Memory of John Edward Goodwin 1900 - 1972 Beloved Husband of Janet Whitson 1900 - 1990



Name
Duncan D Whitson
Death Date
10 Jun 1977
Cemetery
Mount Pleasant Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place
Toronto, Toronto Municipality, Ontario, Canada
Has Bio?
N
URL
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/144347525

How did you work back to the John who married Margaret?

Do you know for certain that these people are connected to you?

Just as a matter of interest, do you know for sure that Cecelia was his mother? Was George married before?





1841 Census


Piece: SCT1841/668 Place: Linlithgow -West Lothian Enumeration District: 3
Civil Parish: Linlithgow Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Linlithgow
Folio: 0 Page: 13
Address: High Street


MCALPINE George M 25 Tailor Journeyman West Lothian
MCALPINE Isabella F 25 West Lothian
MCALPINE John M 10 West Lothian
MCALPINE Marion F 7 West Lothian
MCALPINE Thomas M 5 West Lothian
MCALPINE George M 2 West Lothian

rootgather
the marion in the census you just posted married in the same place as john mcaline to grace thomspn

Marion Mcalpine
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 2 Dec 1853
Marriage Place: Bo'Ness,West Lothian,Scotland
Spouse: Robert Watt
FHL Film Number: 1066614, 1066626

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1871
8, Scotia Street, St George Glasgow, Blythswood, Lanarkshire, Scotlan
Duncan McAlpine Head Widower Male 79 1792 Accountant Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
John McAlpine Son Married Male 40 1831 Preacher Free Church Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
James Blair Grand Son - Male 12 1859 Scholar Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Anne M McAlpine Daughter Unmarried Female 42 1829 Housekeeper Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Jessie Blair Grand Daughter Unmarried Female 14 1857 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland

1861
Renfrew Street, Barony, Blythswood, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Duncan McAlpine Head Married Male 68 1793 Quarter Master Army Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Jessie McAlpine Wife Married Female 67 1794 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Ann McAlpine Daughter Unmarried Female 31 1830 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
John McAlpine Son Unmarried Male 29 1832 Student & Teacher Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Jessy Blain Grand Daughter Unmarried Female 4 1857 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
High Street, Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland

Cicilia McAlpine Head Widow Female 51 1810 - Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland
George McAlpine Son Unmarried Male 20 1841 Shoemaker Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland
Margaret McAlpine Daughter Unmarried Female 18 1843 - Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland
William McAlpine Son - Male 16 1845 Shoemaker Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland
Frances McAlpine Son - Male 13 1848 Shoemaker (Ap) Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland
George Watt Grand Son - Male 6 1855 - Bo'Ness, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland



I still suspect that father George married twice.

Having looked at Cecelia's birth, I now think that 1841 census is a mistranscription of her name. Not sure how you could make Isabella out of Cecelia but maybe the original is a bit feint.


First name(s) Cecilia
Last name Liddel
Gender Female
Birth year 1809
Birth place -
Baptism year 1809
Baptism date 01 Oct 1809
Baptism place LINLITHGOW, WEST LOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Father's last name Liddel
Mother's first name(s) Marion
Mother's last name Murray
Residence Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland
Place Linlithgow
County Linlithgowshire (West Lothian)
Country Scotland
Record set Scotland Births & Baptisms 1564-1950
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from Scotland, Great Britain
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