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I must confess to having taken as accurate some date info on a tree on Ancestry - silly me! Should know better by now

Not that either record is of any help when looking for the birth.................

1871
Archibald McKay Head - Male 46 1825 - Scotland
Elizabeth McKay Wife - Female 45 1826 - Isle of Man, Isle of Man
William Henry McKay Son - Male 13 1858 - Isle of Man, Isle of Man
Archibald McKay Son - Male 10 1861 - England
John James McKay Son - Male 6 1865 - Isle of Man, Isle of Man

A bit of extra detail on the 1875 marriage

First name(s) William Henry
Last name Mckay
Sex Male
Marital status Single
Marriage year 1875
Marriage date 22 Aug 1875
Marriage place Douglas
Parish St Barnabas
Denomination Anglican
Spouse's first name(s) Catherine Jane
Spouse's last name Kneale
Spouse's sex Female
Spouse's marital status Single
Father's first name(s) Archibald
Father's last name Mckay
Spouse's father's first name(s) John
Spouse's father's last name Kneale

First name(s) William Henry
Last name McKay
Sex Male
Age at death 36y
Birth year 1859
Death year 1895
Death place -
Burial year 1895
Burial date 02 Apr 1895
Burial place Isle Of Man
Residence Douglas, England
Place -
County Isle of Man

1881

14, Queen Street, Conchan, Isle of Man

William H Mc Kay Head Married Male 23 1858 General Laborer Isle of Man, Isle of Man
Catherine J Mc Kay Wife Married Female 24 1857 - Isle of Man, Isle of Man
Lizzie Mc Kay Daughter Single Female 6 1875 Scholar Douglas, Isle of Man, Isle of Man
John R Mc Kay Son Single Male 4 1877 Scholar Douglas, Isle of Man, Isle of Man

First name(s) William Henry
Last name Mckay
Sex -
Birth year -
Baptism year 1858
Baptism date 20 Jun 1858
Baptism place Rushen, Isle of Man
Father's first name(s) Archabald
Father's last name Mckay
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Mother's last name Gale
Place Rushen

Kate/Catherine and her youngest (McKay) child are living with her parents in 1891. He is still with her parents in 1901.

Kate Kneale
in the 1891 England Census

Name: Kate Kneale
[Kate McKay]
Gender: Female
Age: 33
Relationship: Daughter
Birth Year: 1858
Father: John Kneale
Mother: Jane Kneale
Child: James McRay
Birth Place: Isle of Man, Isle of Man
Civil Parish: Barrow in Furness
Residence Place: Barrow, Barrow in Furness, Lancashire, England
Sub registration district: Barrow in Furness
ED, Institution or Vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3483
Folio: 120
Household Members:
Name Age
John Kneale 56
Jane Kneale 53
Thomas Kneale 25
John W Kneale 20
Annie Kneale 17
Kate Kneale 33....McKay on image
James McRay 9/12....McKay on image....Isle of Man

Name: Georgina Bentley Mackay
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 23 Jun 1881
Birth Place: Douglas, Isle of Man, England
Father: William Henry Mackay
Mother: Catherine Jane Kneale Mackay


Name: Charles Herbert Mckay
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 26 Feb 1888
Birth Place: Douglas, Isle of Man, England
Father: William Henry Mckay
Mother: Catherine Jane Kneale Mckay


Name: James Edward Mackay
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 17 Aug 1885
Birth Place: Douglas, Isle of Man, England
Baptism Place: Isle of Man, England
Father: William Henry Mackay
Mother: Catherine Jane Kneale Mackay
FHL Film Number: 454959


Name: Archibald Benjamin Mckay
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 18 Jun 1879
Baptism Place: Braddan, Isle of Man
Father: William Henry Mckay
Mother: Cath Jane Mckay


Name: Catherine Elizabeth McKay
Baptism Date: 5 Dec 1875
Baptism Place: Braddan, Isle of Man
Residence: New Bond Street
Father: William Henry McKay
Mother: Catherine Jane McKay
Biography: Parents: William Henry McKay (Labourer) & Catherine Jane McKay. (MS10310/1/3)


John Henry Mckay
Baptism Date: 8 Jul 1877
Baptism Place: Braddan, Isle of Man
Father: William Henry Mckay
Mother: Catharine Jane Leneal
Biography: Parents: William Henry Mckay & Catharine Jane Leneal.

John Henry Mckay
Marriage Date: 29 Sep 1902
Marriage Place: Braddan, Isle of Man
Spouse: Annie Caren
Biography: Married: Annie Caren. Groom's marital status: bachelor. Groom's father: William Henry Mckay. Groom's mother: not stated. Bride's marital status: spinster. Bride's father: Thomas Caren. Bride's mother: not stated.

This is the 1939 register of the Annie that was on the 1911 census with Joseph- not that May Winder, listed at the same address was the May Wassal Cockin that was also on the 1911 census. May was born surname Wassall (no mother's maiden name), she married Jonathan Winder in 1939:

1939
Residence Place: Ulverston, Lancashire, England

Name: Annie Cockin
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Widow
Birth Date: 5 Oct 1864
Occupation: Incapacitated

Name: May Winder
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 8 Apr 1907
Occupation: Unpaid domestic duties

Name: Jonathan Winder
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 8 Dec 1891
Occupation: Timlier yard labourer heavy works

Can't see the first husband in 1891


First name(s) Archibald B
Last name McKay
Age 1
Birth year 1879
Death year 1880
Registration year 1880
Registration district Douglas
Residence Douglas
Country Isle of Man


First name(s) James Edward
Last name McKay
Sex Male
Age at death 4y
Birth year 1886
Death year 1890
Death place -
Burial year 1890
Burial date 06 May 1890
Burial place Kirk Braddan, Isle Of Man


First name(s) Catherine Elizabeth
Last name McKay
Marital status Single
Marriage year 1897
Marriage date 21 Nov 1897
Marriage place Braddan
Parish Kirk Braddan
Denomination Anglican
Spouse's first name(s) Robert Edmund
Spouse's last name Corran
Spouse's birth year 1876
Spouse's birth date 1876
Spouse's marital status Single
Father's first name(s) William Henry
Father's last name McKay
Spouse's father's first name(s) Matthias William
Spouse's father's last name Corran


First name(s) John Henry
Last name MacKay
Age 74
Birth year 1877
Death year 1951
Registration year 1951
Registration district Douglas
Residence Douglas
Country Isle of Man
Volume 294
Page number 3142

Even searching just with MMN, no surname, on the below site, no likely birth for Eleanor...

http://www.cumbriabmd.org.uk/

Charles Herbert & Catherine Elizabeth with their grandmother in 1891???

Name: Herbert Mc Kay
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Douglas, Isle of Man, Isle of Man
Civil Parish: Onchan
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
Town: Douglas
County/Island: Isle of Man
Country: Isle of Man
Registration district: Isle of Man
Sub registration district: F
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Piece: 4687
Folio: 57
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Mc Kay 60
Elizabeth Mc Kay 15
Herbert Mc Kay 3