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Peter McKinnon born 1851 - Professional Mariner

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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 3 Nov 2018 21:16

There are no Peter Mc/MacKinnons born in Scotland 1851-1854 with father's name John, per SP.

EDIT:
The only one 1845-54 is the Snizort one - but I don't think he's the right one.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 3 Nov 2018 21:05

The Snizort Peter doesn't look like the right one - apart from age difference:
His father was a farmer / crofter


John Mckinnon
in the 1851 Scotland Census
Name: John Mckinnon
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Relationship: Head
Spouse: Janet Mckinnon
Gender: Male
Where born: Bracadale, Inverness
Parish Number: 117
Civil Parish: Snizort
County: Inverness
Address: Glengrasgo
Occupation: Farmer Of 4 Acres
ED: 5
Page: 20
Household schedule number: 72
LINE: 15
Roll: CSSCT1851_28
Household Members:
Name Age
John Mckinnon 55
Janet Mckinnon 40
Malcom Mckinnon 19
Christian Mckinnon 17
Duncan Mckinnon 7
Peter Mckinnon 5



John Mackinnon
in the 1861 Scotland Census
Name: John Mackinnon
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Jannet Mackinnon
Mother's name: Margaret Mcinnes
Gender: Male
Where born: Bracadale, inverness co
Registration Number: 117
Registration district: Snizort
Civil Parish: Snizort
County: Inverness
Address: Glengrasgo
Occupation: Crofter
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 22
LINE: 19
Roll: CSSCT1861_16
Household Members:
Name Age
John Mackinnon 65
Jannet Mackinnon 51
Christy Mackinnon 26
Roderick Mcleod 8 Mo
Duncan Mckinnon 18
Peter Mckinnon 15
Margaret Mcinnes 53
Catherine Mcinnes 28
John Mckinnon Mcinnes 18


Peter's not with his parents in 1871. Possibly this is him - a farm servanat;

Peter Mackinnon
in the 1871 Scotland Census
Name: Peter Mackinnon
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relationship: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Snizort, Parish of
Registration Number: 117/2
Registration district: South Snizort
Civil Parish: Snizort
County: Invernessshire
Address: Skerinish 7
Occupation: Farm Servt
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 40
LINE: 8
Roll: CSSCT1871_22
Household Members:
Name Age
William MacDonald 48
William Bethune 66
Isabella Bethune 64
Ann McPherson 50
Jessie Ross 26
Christy Mckinnon 37
Christy Ross 21
Peter Mackinnon 22

safc

safc Report 3 Nov 2018 19:59

????
from
scotlands people

MACKINNON

PETER

JOHN MACKINNON/JANET CAMERON FR62 (FR62)

M

26/06/1847

117/

10 94

Snizort



Snizort
Snizort is an area of the Isle of Skye comprising the head of Loch Snizort and the western coast of Trotternish up to Uig, which is the largest settlement. Wikipedia

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 3 Nov 2018 19:25

Sorry to play devil's advocate, but, as things stand, there is no proof that Peter's father was John Mckinnon

He named him when he married, but I'm assuming that he wasn't a witness to the marriage, or I think you'd have mentioned it.

As for Martha's birth cert - for the father to be named, he would have had to be present, and there would have been two entries on the GRO register - one in each surname.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 3 Nov 2018 19:05

From the Ancestry tree

Mary Flora McKennon

Birth
29 Mar 1882 • Redruth, England, United Kingdom
2 Sources
1882

(AGE)

Marriage
Jul 1902 • Glamorgan, Monmouthshire, Wales

William Henry Cook
(1876–1930)

1 Source
1902

20

Birth of Daughter Ethel Jane Grieve Cook(1905–1998)
22 Mar 1905 • Glamorgan, Monmouthshire, United Kingdom
1905

22

Birth of Son William Andrew Gordon Cook(1913–1989)
4/3/1913 • Barry
1913

30

Birth of Son Thomas Albert Cook(1918–2003)
3 Sep 1918 • Barry, Glamorgan, Wales
1918

36

Death of Husband William Henry Cook(1876–1930)
1 May 1930 • Barry, Glamorgan, Wales
1930

48

Death
29 Dec 1954 • Barry, Glamorgan, Wales

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 3 Nov 2018 18:54

A tree on Ancestry has this as Mary Flora's marriage.........has her birth date as 29th March 1882

Marriages Sep 1902 (>99%)
Cook William Henry Cardiff 11a 610
Mackinnon Mary Florence Cardiff 11a 610

Wonder what she said about her father?

Their first child

Name: Ethel Jane G Cook
Registration Year: 1905
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Cardiff
Inferred County: Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 493

Her marriage

Marriages Mar 1926 (>99%)

Conibear John H Cock Cardiff 11a 569
Cook Ethel J Conibear Cardiff 11a 569



1939

18 Robert Street , Barry M.B., Glamorganshire, Wales


Ethel J Conibear 23 Mar 1905 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 240 2
John H Conibear 16 Feb 1904 Male Wharf Labourer Married 240 1
Robert W Conibear 22 Jan 1931 Male At School Single 240 3
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Mary F Owen (Conibear) 21 May 1934 Female At School Single 240 5
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.


18 Robert Street , Barry M.B., Glamorganshire, Wales


Mary F Cook 29 Mar 1881 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed 239 1

A year out on the birth, but that's not uncommon

Sharon

Sharon Report 3 Nov 2018 18:19

Yes, good point about Peter's father's occupation although again, to see such beautiful handwriting suggests to me that he was well educated.

Sharon

Sharon Report 3 Nov 2018 17:57

Yes, that's a really good idea Erika. I'll see what I can find on the baptism record (if I can find it). Thank you.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 3 Nov 2018 17:55

I think Mary's being recorded by the maiden name in 1881 is probably down to an error on the part of the enumerator - perhaps copying incorrectly from the indivdual sheets to the census page

I'll be surprised if a father is named on Martha's birth cert - but I hope for your sake that the info is recorded

A baptism record might be more informative

Sharon

Sharon Report 3 Nov 2018 17:36

Hi Erika - I don't want to give up on the McKinnon link just yet as I had my daughter when I was unmarried and her dad and I only got round to putting his name on her birth certificate when she was about fifteen! I probably need to find out how long Peter might have been away for as my dad (who was a Captain at sea so there's possible a seafaring gene there) used to be away for about eighteen months at a time when I was a child. It's certainly a puzzle.

Sharon

Sharon Report 3 Nov 2018 17:24

There's so much information to work through - so thank you everybody!

It will certainly be interesting to see what Martha's birth certificate brings. Either Peter was the father and was away at sea not realising that Mary was pregnant or as Erika has said, he wasn't the father. Having said that, he was taking her on with a babe in arms when he married her in December 1879 and I wonder how many men would have been prepared to do that if the child wasn't theirs.

It is indeed a bit weird that Mary goes by her maiden name in the 1881 census despite being married to Peter and also presumably possibly being pregnant with her second child.

I'm not sure about the listing on the Census in 1871 which gives Peter as from Falkirk as it says he's a farm servant. His signature is that of an educated person - very flowing and confident plus his father is an Engineer so a professional person and in 1871 it would have been a big jump for his dad to go from being a Labourer to an Engineer (very confusing - I had found this listing myself and until I received the marriage certificate thought it was the most likely one).

Fascinating the court appearance. I shall have to have a closer look at that. Sorry also re the mis-type on my part - it is indeed Mary Elizabeth, not Margaret Elizabeth.

Sharon

Sharon Report 3 Nov 2018 17:07

Also, Erika H in 1881, Peter's wife and child were living with her parents William and Mary Mitchell at the same address as listed on her marriage certificate to Peter. She is still listed as married at this time and Martha is 4 years old (1881 Census). That's very interesting your finding the listing for another child - and I agree, it's very likely that this is Martha's sister and that Peter was, therefore, still alive in 1893. I haven't yet read the listing about his court appearance! I was just following your thread first. Thank you Erika - this is brilliant. Sharon

Sharon

Sharon Report 3 Nov 2018 16:56

Sorry - I had to go out for a while. I will answer the responses in the order they've come in. Erika H - re Martha Louisa's birth certificate. I have ordered one from the Cornwall Records Office so am waiting for that to arrive at present.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 3 Nov 2018 14:53



Just because Mary said she was a widow, doesn't necessarily mean that she was one!

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 3 Nov 2018 14:52

1871

Name: Peter Mckennan
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relationship: Son
Father's name: John Mckennan
Mother's name: Mary Mckennan
Gender: Male
Where born: Falkirk, Stirling
Registration Number: 646/3
Registration district: Partick
Civil Parish: Govan
Town: Partick
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 192 Castlebank St
Occupation: Farm Servant
ED: 10
Household schedule number: 147
LINE: 22
Roll: CSSCT1871_144
Household Members:
Name Age
John Mckennan 46 Shipbuilder's labourer
Mary Mckennan 55
Peter Mckennan 21
Catherine Mckennan 19
Malcolm Mckennan 16


1861
Name: John Mckinnon
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Mary Mckinnon
Gender: Male
Where born: Skye, Invernesshire************************************************
Registration Number: 479/2
Registration district: Falkirk Landward
Civil Parish: Falkirk Landward
County: Stirlingshire
Address: 4 Underwood
Occupation: Labourer In Chemicab Work
ED: 10
Household schedule number: 114
LINE: 3
Roll: CSSCT1861_64
Household Members:
Name Age
John Mckinnon 37
Mary Mckinnon 44
Peter Mckinnon 11
Catherine Mckinnon 9
Malcolm Mckinnon 6


Peter's info about his father's occ may be inaccurate.............he wouldn't be the first to try to impress the in-laws

Maddie

Maddie Report 3 Nov 2018 14:49

from a tree on ancestry
Death
1880 - 1886

Peter MacKinnon died after his marriage to Mary Elizabeth Mitchell as she is named as a widow on the certificate of her second marriage to George Hall on 26 December 1887. I have yet to find out when and where Peter died.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 3 Nov 2018 14:45

Even if Peter died at sea, his death should be registered - normally at the first port of call thereafter

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 3 Nov 2018 14:44

Mary F Mckennel on 1891 must be a child of the marriage...............


Births Jun 1882 (>99%)
McKennon Mary Flora Redruth 5c 243

So, unless Mary was playing away, Peter was alive towards the end of 1881

EDITED

Certainly around in 1883 in view of the posting above of his court appearance

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 3 Nov 2018 14:42

Is this the family in Phillick/Phillack, Cornwall in 1881? Mary E. is listed as married but she's Mitchell same as her mother.

Mary Mitchell 70 , head, widow
Charles Mitchell 35 , son, unmarried
Mary E. Mitchell 25 , daughter, married
Martha Mitchell 4 , daughter, unmarried

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 3 Nov 2018 14:40

1891

William A Lawry Head Widower Male 75 1816 Tin Dresser Cornwall, England
Mary J Pengelly Niece Single Female 41 1850 - Cornwall, England
Rebecca M Pengelly Niece Single Female 31 1860 - Cornwall, England
Martha L McKennan Visitor Single Female 13 1878 - Cornwall, England

Image shows Martha's birthplace as Phillack, Hayle