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Gerry

Gerry Report 28 Nov 2018 15:09

William Henry Harman,age 38 and a widower, married Mary Mann, spinster age 38 also, 15 May 1921 in Kensington.

William's occupation was Mason and his father was George, Labourer. He died sometime between 1927 and 1939.

Mary's father was Michael Joseph Mann, plasterer. Her dob was 13/9/1882

William and Mary had 4 children all born in Hammersmith between 1922 and 1927

My problem? I cannot actually identify William and Mary. Nor their parents and it is driving me mad.

Any help would be appreciate

Gerry

Maddie

Maddie Report 28 Nov 2018 15:31

maybe he changed naems around

Name: Henry William Harman
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 2 Feb 1884
Baptism Place: Notting Hill St Clement, Kensington and Chelsea, England
Father: George Harman -- labourer
Mother: Louisa Harman

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 28 Nov 2018 15:37

????

Transcription:
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Snarsgate Street, Hammersmith, Fulham, London & Middlesex, England

George Harman Head Married Male 42 1849 General Labourer Middlesex, England
Louisa Harman Wife Married Female 40 1851 Laundry Hand London, Middlesex, England
George James Harman Son Single Male 17 1874 General Labourer Middlesex, England
Mary Harman Daughter Single Female 11 1880 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
Harry Wm Harman Son Single Male 7 1884 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
Annie Harman Daughter Single Female 2 1889 - London, Middlesex, England

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 28 Nov 2018 15:43

Record Transcription:
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
16, Bransford Street, Kensington, London & Middlesex, England

George Harman Head Married Male 52 1849 - Hayes, Middlesex, England
Louisa Harman Wife Married Female 50 1851 Charwoman Marylebone, Middlesex, England
George Harman Son Single Male 26 1875 Genl Laborer Northolt, Middlesex, England
Mary Harman Daughter Single Female 21 1880 - Hammersmith, Middlesex, England
Henry Harman Son Single Male 17 1884 - Hammersmith, Middlesex, England
Annie Harman Daughter - Female 12 1889 - Marylebone, Middlesex, England
Jane Sawyer Aunt Widow Female 79 1822 - Marylebone, Middlesex, England

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 28 Nov 2018 15:48

LOUISA
Last name HARMAN
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1851
Age 100
Death quarter 1
Death year 1951
District Ealing
County London
Volume 5E
Page 282
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Collections from Great Britain, England
(c) brightsolid online publishing ltd

Gerry

Gerry Report 28 Nov 2018 15:53

Now, why didn't I think of that?!!

It looks very promising
:-D

Maddie

Maddie Report 28 Nov 2018 15:54

Name: George Harmon -- labourer
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1850
Marriage Date: 11 May 1873
Marriage Place: Northolt, Ealing, England
Father: James Harmon
Spouse: Louisa Rooke
Register Type: Parish Register

Name: George Harman
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 1 Apr 1849
Baptism Place: Northolt, Ealing, England
Father: James Harman
Mother: Mary Anne Harman

HARMAN, ANNIE ROOKE Order
GRO Reference: 1888 S Quarter in FULHAM Volume 01A Page 186

HARMAN, HENRY WILLIAM ROOKE Order
GRO Reference: 1884 M Quarter in FULHAM Volume 01A Page 205

Maddie

Maddie Report 28 Nov 2018 16:13

???
Name: Michael Joseph Mann
Age: 67
Record Type: Death
Birth Date: abt 1862
Death Date: 6 Nov 1929
Death Poor Law Union: Saint Marylebone
Death Place: St Marylebone, Westminster, England

Gerry

Gerry Report 28 Nov 2018 16:25

1862 is about the right birth for Mary's father Maddie.

malyon

malyon Report 28 Nov 2018 17:53

is this mary in 1901

Name: Mary Mann
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Event Place: Kensington, London, Middlesex, England
County: London, Middlesex
Civil Parish: Kensington
Ecclesiastical Parish: All Saints
Sub-District: Kensington Town
Registration District: Kensington
Residence Note: Lonsdale Road
Gender: Female
Age: 19
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated): 1882
Birthplace: Kilburn, London
Schedule Type: 328
Page Number: 47
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Ann Richardson Head Female 70 Luebury Eng Co Not Stated
James Richardson Son Male 15 London
Ellen Mann Daughter Female 42 Windsor, Berkshire
Mary Mann Daughter Female 19 Kilburn, London
Kate Mann Daughter Female 19 Kilburn
William Mann Son Male 11 Kilburn

malyon

malyon Report 28 Nov 2018 18:01

this looks like parents of mary mann no middle name for micheal

Marriages Sep 1880 (>99%)click to view
Mann Michael Marylebone 1a 1222
RICHARDSON Ellen Marylebone 1a 1222

alviegal

alviegal Report 28 Nov 2018 21:15

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Townshend Cottages, Marylebone, London & Middlesex, England

John Mann Head - Male 38 1833 - labourer Ireland
Catherine Mann Wife - Female 38 1833 - laundress Ireland
John Mann Son - Male 11 1860 - labourer, Marylebone Middlesex, England
>>Michael Mann Son - Male 9 1862 - Marylebone Middlesex, England
Elly Mann Son - Male 5 1866 - Middlesex, England





1911 Census For England & Wales

35 Lonsdale Road, Kensington, London & Middlesex, England

George Wornes Husband Married Male 31 1880 Cab Washer Elgin Mews N Hill
Kate Wornes Wife Married Female 28 1883 House Wife St Johns Wood LN
George Albert Wornes Son - Male 5 1906 - Lonsdale Rd N Hill
Thomas William Wornes Son - Male 3 1908 - Lonsdale Rd N Hill
John Edward Wornes Son - Male 2 1909 - Lonsdale Rd N Hill
>>Ellen Mann Mother Widow Female 51 1860 Laundry Windsor
William Mann Brother Single Male 27 1884 Trunk Maker St Johns Wood LN
>>Mary Mann Sister Single Female 28 1883 Laundry St Johns Wood LN

alviegal

alviegal Report 28 Nov 2018 22:10

MANN, ELLEN RICHARDSON
GRO Reference: 1881 S Quarter in HENDON Volume 03A Page 169

MANN, CATHERINE RICHARDSON
GRO Reference: 1882 D Quarter in HENDON Volume 03A Page 155

MANN, MARY RICHARDSON
GRO Reference: 1882 D Quarter in HENDON Volume 03A Page 155


MANN, WILLIAM ROBERT RICHARDSON
GRO Reference: 1885 M Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 673


??MANN, JOHN RICHARDSON Order
GRO Reference: 1887 M Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 647

malyon

malyon Report 28 Nov 2018 22:53

so mary and kate were twins

Gerry

Gerry Report 28 Nov 2018 23:53

Thank you all for your input

Gerry

Maddie

Maddie Report 29 Nov 2018 11:04

Michael
Last name Mann
Birth year 1862
Baptism year 1862
Parish St John's Wood
Diocese Westminster
County Middlesex
Country England
Mother's first name(s) Catherina
Mother's last name Waters
Father's first name(s) Joannis
Father's last name Mann
Birth date 26 Apr 1862
Baptism date 25 May 1862
Church Our Lady
Deanery Marylebone
Ecclesiastical province Westminster
Archive Westminster Archdiocesan Archives
Register type Baptisms
Records year range 1856-1867

MICHAEL
Last name MANN
Birth year 1862
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Walters
District Marylebone
County London
Country England
Volume 1A
Page 507

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 29 Nov 2018 12:26

If Michael Joseph Mann died in 1929, why would Ellen be a widow on the 1911 census? Of course, they may just have gone their own way and Ellen considered herself as widowed to save face.

Maddie

Maddie Report 29 Nov 2018 15:41

i wonder if this is micheals father

John
Last name Mann
Birth year -
Baptism year 1833
Baptism date 10 Feb 1833
Residence Ardglass
Parish Emly
Diocese Cashel and Emly
County Limerick, Tipperary
Country Ireland
Father's first name(s) Michael ------
Father's last name Mann
Mother's first name(s) Honora
Mother's last name Hogan
Repository National Library of Ireland
National Library of Ireland link

JOHN
Last name MANN
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1833
Age 60
Death quarter 3
Death year 1893
District Marylebone
County London
Volume 1A
Page 424
Country

Honora
Last name Hogan
Address -
Marriage year 1825
Marriage date 24 Apr 1825
Parish Emly
Diocese Cashel and Emly
Spouse's first name(s) Michl
Spouse's last name Mann
Spouse's address -
County Limerick, Tipperary
Country Ireland
Repository National Library of Ireland

Mann Honora 1796 1876 1876 Irish Deaths 1864 - 1958 Tipperary, Limerick & Tipperary, Ireland

Honora
Last name Hogan
Birth year -
Baptism year 1796
Baptism date 17 May 1796
Parish Killenaule
Alternative parish names Killenaule and Moyglass, Moyglass
Diocese Cashel and Emly
County Tipperary
Country Ireland
Father's first name(s) Patritio
Father's last name Hogan
Mother's first name(s) Cath
Mother's last name Heffernan
Repository National Library of Ireland

Maddie

Maddie Report 29 Nov 2018 15:51

micheals brother
England Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms
First name(s) Patricius
Last name Mann
Birth year 1861
Baptism year 1861
Parish St John's Wood
Diocese Westminster
County Middlesex
Country England
Mother's first name(s) Catherine
Mother's last name Watars
Father's first name(s) Joannis
Father's last name Mann
Birth date 20 Feb 1861
Baptism date 17 Mar 1861
Church Our Lady
Deanery Marylebone
Ecclesiastical province Westminster
Archive Westminster Archdiocesan Archives
Register type Baptisms
Records year range 1856-1867

sadly
PATRICK
Last name MANN
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year -
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 1861
District Marylebone
County London
Volume 1A
Page 362
Country England

alviegal

alviegal Report 30 Nov 2018 12:30

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census

26, Townshend Cottages, Mbone, Marylebone, London & Middlesex, England

John Mann Head Married Male 28 1833 Labourer Ireland
Catherine Mann Wife Married Female 30 1831 Charwoman Limerick, Limerick, Ireland
William Mann Son Unmarried Male 6 1855 Scholar Middlesex, England
John Mann Son - Male 2 1859 - Middlesex, England
Patrick Mann Son - Male 0 1861 - Middlesex, England




1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census

17, Townshend Cottages, St Marylebone, Marylebone, London & Middlesex, England

John Mann Head Married Male 48 1833 Genl Lab Ireland
Catherine Mann Wife Married Female 50 1831 - Ireland
Billy Mann Son Single Male 15 1866 Errand Boy Marylebone, Middlesex, England



1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Henry Place, St Marylebone, Marylebone, London & Middlesex, England

John Mann Head Married Male 58 1833 Domestic Tipperary, Tipperary, Ireland
Catherine Mann Wife Married Female 59 1832 Domestic Limerick, Limerick, Ireland