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Finding Iris Peatman

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Julie

Julie Report 16 Jan 2019 17:06

DOB re Birth Cert 5 Oct 1907, so the 1939 REG DOB is exactly 3 yrs out, which is why I am pretty convinced it is "my" Iris, along with the fact that her mother migrated from Lincolnshire to Nottinghamshire.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 16 Jan 2019 14:09

What was Iris's actual DOB on her birth cert?

I don't think that's been posted.

Julie

Julie Report 16 Jan 2019 13:33

I missed on the additional information from ArgyllGran. A bit of further digging online seems to indicate that the same code has been found on entries where ladies have divorced and reverted to their maiden name. Could NR mean "name revision"? I think NR230 relates to the form number that was completed to effect such a change. I had picked up on the RMA annotation as relating to a move into Nottingham. I am now wondering if Iris and her son were known as Marshall because she was unable to marry a Mr Marshall (perhaps he was already married), if she then later married him no change of name would be needed on the register. This doesn't explain why I haven't found a death registration for Iris under the surname Marshall. More digging required.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 9 Jan 2019 11:26

I don't know if it could turn out to be any sort of clue, but the code RMA beside the 1948 date when the change of name was registered signifies Nottingham - so Iris was still living in Nottinghamshire in 1948.


Other changes of name on nearby pages have M after the place code, presumably meaning the change was because of marriage.
Iris and Roy's RMA code and date doesn't have anything after it, which I take to mean that it wasn't a result of marriage.

People whose names changed because of marriage have CR230 as an additional code.
Iris and Roy have NR230 instead. A Google search doesn't produce anything definite, but there are several suggestions that it means a change by Deed Poll.



"There is no key to most of the codes that appear against names in the register, and different ones were used during the half-century when the paper register was in use. Some are accompanied by a date, which will be the date when the register was updated; this may be the date of the event itself, such as a marriage. Sometimes there is a three-letter area code to show that the person had moved to another district."
http://www.whodoyouthinkyouaremagazine.com/blog/what-1939-register

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 9 Jan 2019 07:27

Well Roy was reg as peatman at birth

Births Dec 1934
Peatman Roy H Peatman Grantham 7a 623

It looks for some reason she changed their name to Marshall in1948 according to the annotation on the 1939 reg

Maybe she lived with a mr Marshall and took his name by deedpole

I know this has been posted but Ancestry does list it a diff way

Roy Peatman
[Roy Marshall]
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Birth Date: 25 Sep 1934
Residence Year: 1939
Address: Radcliffe on Trent Notts
Residence Place: Bingham, Nottinghamshire, England
Occupation: at School
Schedule Number: 135
Sub Schedule Number: 6
Enumeration District: ROEP
Registration district: 433 Bingham
Household Members:
Name
Iris Peatman
Roy Peatman
Arthur Stockil
Herbert B Beech
Ada A Beech

Julie

Julie Report 8 Jan 2019 12:28

Hi all,
Like others I haven't found a Marshall/Peatman or Marshall/Baker marriage, nor an Iris Peatman/Baker/Marshall death that looks a fit. Iris has a married man Arthur Stockil living with her on the 1939 Reg. I've done bit of research on him and he is a possible father of Roy. He and his wife Constance Peck don't seem to have had any children. She is on the 1939 Reg living with her parents. He died in 1942, probate was granted to Constance, but that doesn't mean they were actually together at the time. His death may account for Iris apparently being involved with someone of the surname Marshall by 1948. I don't know if a name change related to ration cards/NHS would have needed evidence of a marriage, or a formal name change, but I suspect not. More questions than answers here, I doubt whether I'll find all the answers either.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Jan 2019 09:42

Iris Peatman/Marshall in 1939 does seem to be your Iris.

There's no birth of an Iris Peatman 1905-12.

I still don't see any Marshall marriage, though.
Perhaps they married abroad.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Jan 2019 09:24

So what is it you're looking for now, Julie?


Just for our reference - Henry married Eliza in 1884. Here's the family in 1891:

Henry Peatman

in the 1891 England Census
Name: Henry Peatman
Gender: Male
Age: 31
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1860
Spouse: Eliza Peatman
Child: Ethel Ann Peatman
Agnes Emily Peatman
Walter Henry Peatman
Maud Eliza Peatman
Birth Place: Ropsley, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Boothby Pagnell
Residence Place: Boothby Pagnell, Boothby Pagnell, Lincolnshire, England
Sub registration district: Grantham South
ED, Institution or Vessel: 5
Neighbors:
Piece: 2582
Folio: 46
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Peatman 31
Eliza Peatman 27
Ethel Ann Peatman 8
Agnes Emily Peatman 6
Walter Henry Peatman 4
Maud Eliza Peatman 2

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 8 Jan 2019 08:56

???


Name: Ethel A Peatman
Registration Date: Apr-May-Jun 1934
Registration district: Nottingham
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Spouse: Fred C Rossell
Volume Number: 7b
Page Number: 938



Ethel A Rossell
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 3 Sep 1882
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 73
Residence Place: Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
Occupation: Household Duties
Schedule Number: 28
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: RMRJ
Registration district: 430-5 10
Inferred Spouse: Fred C Rossell
Household Members:
Name
Fred C Rossell dob 27.3.1877 occ painter and paperhanger
Ethel A Rossell


Ethel Ann Rossell
Death Age: 96
Birth Date: 3 Sep 1883
Registration Date: Sep 1979
Registration district: Nottingham
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 8
Page: 0755
The informant is a year out in her birth

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 8 Jan 2019 08:47

So it's Iris baker born 1907 that you are now looking for ??
What was her actual birth date

I,m a bit lost here


Her mother was Ethel ann Baker ? Did Ethel later marry

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 7 Jan 2019 15:16

I'm not sure from what you say, if you've found Ethel Ann's birth or not.

In case not, here it is:

BAKER, ETHEL ANN -
GRO Reference: 1882 D Quarter in GRANTHAM Volume 07A Page 457


EDIT:
On re-reading, yes, I see you did find it.

Julie

Julie Report 7 Jan 2019 14:50

A little more research turned up a Bastardy case report in the local press, where Henry Peatman admitted that he was the father of Ethel Ann. He then at a later date decided to make an honest woman of Eliza and marry her.
Julie

Julie

Julie Report 7 Jan 2019 14:40

For the benefit of anyone looking at this. I obtained a pdf of the birth cert for Iris Baker using the reference found by ArgyllGran, this showed the mother as Ethel Ann Baker. Eliza Peatman nee Baker, the grandmother of Iris, had a daughter Ethel Ann. Her birth turned out to have been registered under Baker, as Eliza didn't marry until after she was born. As I have found before, getting a different perspective on a problem from those who look at these threads, can lead to the issue being solved. In this case I also made a note to myself to make sure I look at what I know (and what I may be missing, in this case a birth reg for Ethel Ann as well as Iris) about the immediate family, when going back to a problem.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 7 Jan 2019 13:10

PM from Julie today:

I have now accessed pdf copy of the birth certificate for Iris Baker you tracked down. The mother was Ethel Ann Baker. On further investigation, this appears to be Ethel Ann Peatman daughter of Eliza Peatman nee Baker. She was born before Eliza married Henry Peatman so was reg'd as Baker at birth. Many thanks for opening the door that allowed me to resolve this. I had forgotten that I hadn't been able to trace a birth reg for Ethel Ann.


Thanks for letting us know, Julie. I'm glad the puzzle's solved!

Julie

Julie Report 31 Dec 2018 09:12

Thanks ArgyllGran for putting a different perspective on this. Had problems with power going off several times yesterday evening so wasn't able to reply or do follow up work for fear of power surges. Plan to get pdf copy of the birth cert for Iris Baker and see what that reveals, but inthe meantime I can have a look for possible Baker mothers on that branch of the family.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Dec 2018 18:29

Roy Marshall
in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Roy Marshall
Arrival Age: 24
Birth Date: 30 Sep 1934
Port of Departure: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Arrival date: 5 Dec 1958
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Montreal
Ship Name: Carinthia
Shipping line: Cunard Steamship Company Ltd
Official Number: 1963/01


Travelling with:
Benjamin Marshall 23/02/1904 - salesman
Louie Marshall (female) 21/02/1912
Charlotte Marshall 30/05/1942

UK address of all of them; 354 Mansfield Road, Nottingham.
Country of last permanent residence: Canada (all of them)
Country of future intended permanent residence: Canada (all of them)
Intended length of stay in UK: 5 months.

Listed just above them - don't know if connected or not:

Benjamin Marshall 09/05/1931.
Last & future permanent residence: Canada.
Staying in UK 6 months.
Occupation: salesman.
UK address: Washend Farm, Lowton, St Mary, Lancs.


EDIT:

No, this is a different Roy Marshal

His birth:

Births Dec 1934 (>99%)
Marshall Roy Gentle Newport M 11a 253ll.

Parents' marriage:

Benjamin Marshall
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Benjamin Marshall
Registration Date: Apr-May-Jun 1930
Registration district: Manchester North
Inferred County: Lancashire
Spouse: Louie Gentle
Volume Number: 8d
Page Number: 1403

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Dec 2018 18:13

???

Roy Marshall
in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Roy Marshall
Arrival Age: 25
Birth Date: 23 Sep 1934
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival date: 12 Mar 1960
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: New York and Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Ship Name: Ivernia
Shipping line: Cunard Steamship Company Ltd
Official Number: 4640/01

Occupation: Salesman.
UK address: 354 Mansfield Road, Nottingham.
Country of last permanent residence: Canada.
Intending to stay for 8 months in the UK.


EDIT:

NO - not "our" Roy.
See next post.

Julie

Julie Report 30 Dec 2018 18:03

The other marriage is indeed the other Iris Peatman. I would have expected another amendment to the 1939 reg if she married again, unless of course the second marriage was after they stopped updating name changes.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Dec 2018 17:51

Roy was just Roy at birth, not Royston, so I have doubts about that death.
EDIT: No, I take that back. I see Royston's DOB was the same as Roy's per 1939.
And I don't see the birth of a Royston Marshall in 1934-5.

Re Iris - the day and month given in 1939 would fit with the 1907 birth.
1910 may just be a mistake
Or maybe she wanted to pretend she was still in her 20's!

I don't see an obvious death for her, though, as either Peatman or Marshall.
Perhaps she remarried.

I take it the Peatman/Rayner marriage is the other Iris Peatman ?

Julie

Julie Report 30 Dec 2018 17:40

Yes, I've just been looking for Baker/Marshall marriages. Maybe the Iris Peatman on the 1939 Reg is a red herring, although I'm not going to discount it at this point. Clearly the 1939 reg entry for the son is open on the basis that a death has been matched to him. I haven't been able to find an Iris Marshall death, but I have traced a Royston Hayes Marshall death reg in Notts 1987 which might be related.