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I am wanting to confirm the father of Thomas Orrett (Arrett) Hughes and Sarah Crossley Hughes who were born in Liverpool in 1877 and 1879 respectively.


In 1881 they were living with their parents John and Sarah in Liverpool. John is stated as being born in Ellesmere in 1851.

In 1871 there are several John Hughes' born in the Ellesmere area and I have lost the plot.

I would be grateful for another pair of eyes to search for me please, and would love to discover where the Orrett/Arrett name came from. Thank you.

Baptism: 25 Aug 1878 St Cuthbert, Everton, Lancashire, England
Thomas Orrett Hughes - [Child] of John Hughes & Elizabeth
Born: 27 Nov 1877
Abode: 48 Nesfield Street
Occupation: Messenger ################
Baptised by: J. Gallagher
Register: Baptisms 1892 - 1899, Page 5, Entry 4
Source: LDS Film 2147911

Baptism: 28 Dec 1879 St Cuthbert, Everton, Lancashire, England
Sarah Crossley Hughes - [Child] of John Hughes & Elizabeth
Born: 24 May 1879
Abode: 48 Nesfield Street
Occupation: Messenger
Notes: 14 Jul 1879. Private. Received into the church 28 Dec 1879
Baptised by: I. Holmes and E. E. Cunnington
Register: Baptisms 1892 - 1899, Page 9, Entry 2
Source: LDS Film 2147911

There is also this baptism:-

First name(s) Thomas Orrett
Last name Hughes
Gender Male
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1878
Baptism date 25 Aug 1878
Residence Everton, Lancashire, England
Place Everton
County Lancashire
Country England
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Hughes
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975

I wonder if the first Thomas died?

EDIT - Sorry, this is the same baptism already posted.

Kath. x

JOHN
Last name HUGHES
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1876
Registration month -

Elizabeth Crossley
District West Derby
District number -
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8B
Volume as transcribed 8B
Page number 420

Thank you both. I did find those details but am struggling with working backwards on John's line.

1881
94, Vienna Street, Everton, West Derby, Lancashire, England

John Hughes Head Married Male 30 1851 Porter At Rubber Works Ellesmere, Shropshire, England
Elizabeth Hughes Wife Married Female 30 1851 - Aigburth, Lancashire, England
Thomas A Hughes Son Single Male 3 1878 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Sarah C Hughes Daughter Single Female 1 1880 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Arrett Aunt Single Female 60 1821 Formerly Laundress Huyton, Lancashire, England ===========

1871 ???

Name: Elizabeth Orrett
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Huyton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Huyton and Roby
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
Town: Huyton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: Huyton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 133
Piece: 3856
Folio: 58
Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Norris 62
Elizabeth Houghton 48
Elizabeth Orrett 58
John Grahame 26
William R Grahame 18

ELIZABETH
Last name ORRETT
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1810
Age 76
Death quarter 1
Death year 1886
District West Derby
County Lancashire
Volume 8B
Page 318
Country England

Thanks Maddie....yes that looks like the aunt from the 1881.

Elizabeth Ovrett
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Ovrett
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Huyton
Hundred: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: Brook House
Occupation: Servant
Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: Hutton
Neighbors:
Piece: 512
Book: 7
Folio: 11
Page Number: 14


That could be the one from 1881 census.

This could be the one on 1871 census:

Elizabeth Arritt
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Arritt
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Huyton
Hundred: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: Hutton
Neighbors:
Piece: 512
Book: 7
Folio: 7
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Abraham Arritt 65
Ralph Arritt 30
Elizabeth Arritt 25
Abraham Arritt 20

Thanks ArgylleGran. xx

However, that's no help with siblings who might have married into the Hughes family - or his wife's.

John’s father’s details will be on the marriage cert - if he knew him

Thomas' birth registration got well and truly mangled!

from GRO ............

HUGHES, THOMAS ARRETT mmn CROSLEY
GRO Reference: 1878 M Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 315


HUGHES, SARAH CROSSLEY mmn CROSSLEY
GRO Reference: 1879 S Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 310

1861 has one John Hughes of approx age,in Ellesmere. He’s a servant with a family named Morford

Can’t C&P at present

Thank you everyone.....I'm grateful for your efforts. x

deleted as I had got thoroughly confused!!

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1876
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HUGHES John CROSSLEY Elizabeth Edge Hill, St. Catherine Liverpool 2061WD/1/221

from ancestry ............

Liverpool, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932

Name: Elizabeth Crossley
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: Full Age
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 5 Feb 1876
Marriage Place: Edge Hill, St Catherine, Lancashire, England
Search Photos: Search for 'Edge Hill, St Catherine' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Father: Momas Crossley
Spouse: John Hughes

Name: John Hughes
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: Full Age
Father: William Hughes

from image:-

John
Widower
Full Age
Messenger
Address:- Vauxhall Road
Father Occupation:- Shoemaker

Elizabeth
Spinster
Full Age
No occupation shown
Address:- ??Ocnkfield Road????
Father occupation:- Coachman

Witnesses:- (very hard to read) William Hartley ??? and Ellen Kilshaw

Thank you Sylvia...…..see Christine's fred. :-0

How many John Hughes could have father William, Shoe Maker?????

This might be a wild goose chase .......... but he said he was a widower when he married Elizabeth in 1876. Occuaptions ARE different

from lancs-opc

Marriage: 29 Oct 1871 St Augustine, Everton, Lancashire, England
John Hughes - Full, Boiler Maker, Widower, Everton
Mary Ann Dodd - Full, Widow, Everton
Groom's Father: William Hughes, Shoe Maker
Bride's Father: William Hanson, Mariner
Witness: Richard Hughes; Anne Houldin
Married by Banns by: W J Edwards
Register: Marriages 1867 - 1873, Page 195, Entry 390
Source: LDS Film 1656014



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