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james 1891
in the 1891 England Census


Name: James Moyns
Gender: Male
Age: 14
Relationship: Marine Soe's Boy (Marine)
Birth Year: 1877
Birth Place: West Indies
Civil Parish: Woolwich
Residence Place: Woolwich, London, England
Sub registration district: Woolwich Dockyard
ED, Institution or Vessel: Ship War Spite
Neighbors:
Piece: 531
Folio: 47

Name: James Alfred Moyns
Death Date: 15 Feb 1927
Death Place: Surrey, England
Probate Date: 5 Apr 1927
Registry: London, Englan

similiar address as 1911 census
probate to charlotte ellen, widow
£124 2s 6d


Name: James A Moyns
Death Age: 48
Birth Date: abt 1879
Registration Date: Mar 1927
Registration district: Greenwich
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 1250

He is a soldier on this record


John William Moynes
in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917
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Name: John William Moynes
Gender: Male
Spouse: Alice Phoebe Moynes
Child: Albert Henry Moyne

It's 1917 records

The 1891 census record is in Find My Past

Mistranscribed on Ancestry;


John P Moyles
in the 1891 England Census
Name: John P Moyles
Gender: Male
Age: 8
Relationship: Son
Birth Year: 1883
Father: Thomas Moyles
Mother: Elizabeth Moyles
Birth Place: Weredia, Bermuda
Civil Parish: Stratford Le Bow St Mary
Residence Place: Stratford Le Bow St Mary, London, England
Sub registration district: Bow
ED, Institution or Vessel: 23
Neighbors:
Piece: 317
Folio: 36
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Moyles 37
Elizabeth Moyles 37
John P Moyles 8
Thomas Moyles 6
Annie Moyles 10

Argy11Gran
I see your point.
I am led by 1939 reg with John William born 29th Oct 1884
His M cert of 1912 with father Thomas.
The 1911 cens with Thomas and wife, same address as m cert.

He would seem to be john Peter

John Peter
Last name Moyns
Service number 202723
Birth year 1882
Birth date 29 Oct 1882
Birth place Bermuda
Birth county Bermuda
Birth country West Indies
Archive The National Archives
Archive reference ADM 188/352/202723
Record set British Royal Navy Seamen 1899-1924
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & Service Records
Collections from Great Britain, UK None
National Archives

He joined in 1899 and served on several vessels

His reason for leaving is given as RUN !!

So seems he deserted

Note his birth day and month agrees with the 1939 reg but the year is 1882 not 1884

A deserter ??

John Peter Moyns
in the UK, Military Deserters, 1812-1927

Name: John Peter Moyns
Age: 18
Birth Year: Abt 1882
Birth Place: Bermuda
Desertion Date: 1900
Publication Date: 11 Sep 1900


Original image and maybe details on Fold3, which requires an additional subscription.

What's John's age on his marriage cert?

Possible overseas birth record

Gro Regimental Birth Indices (1761 To 1924)
Archive reference REG1
Record set British Armed Forces And Overseas Births And Baptisms
First name(s) John
Sex Male
Last name Moyns
Birth year 1882
Regiment Royal Engineers
Type Armed Forces
Country -
Place -
Page 12
Archive General Register Office
Record's year range 1882
Volume 663
Line number 37
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Births
Collections from Great Britain, UK None
© Findmypast

Maddie
Looks like John Peter has thrown a spanner in the works, I have to go over all the responses slowly to hopefully resolve.

Argy11Gran

His m cert of 1912 has him as 25 which makes born 1887.
Could the 1939 reg be wrong even with the day written?
I'm getting confused.

DOB's on 1939 register aren't always correct.

Human error in writing the date, or misinformation.

Well guys I think you have sorted it and I thank you all very much for your help and time and I will study all your information over the next few days as my brain is a bit frazzled.
Many Thanks
Les

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Gro Army Birth Indices (1881 To 1965)
Archive reference BARM
Record set British Armed Forces And Overseas Births And Baptisms
First name(s) John C
Sex Male
Last name Moyns
Birth year 1882
Type Armed Forces
Country West Indies
Place Bermuda
Page A Z 112 20 U GAY REY
Archive General Register Office
Record's year range 1882
Line number 74
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Births
Collections from Great Britain, UK None

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annie father an engineer
Name: Annie Elizabeth Moyns
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1880
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1900
Marriage Place: St David, Barnsbury, Islington, England
Father: Thomas Moyns
Spouse: Charles William Burton
Register Type: Parish Register

1939 for dob
Name: Annie E Burton
Gender: Female
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 9 Nov 1880
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 79
Residence Place: Deptford, London, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Schedule Number: 104
Sub Schedule Number: 4
Enumeration District: AFIE
Registration district: 26-1
Inferred Spouse: Charles W Burton
Household Members:
Name
Thomas Magns 29/08/1857
Elizabeth Magns 25 /11/1856
Charles W Burton
Annie E Burton

Hi Maddie
You are still trying for me,thank you.
Quick question, going back to my post do you think it is possible to find anything on the wife of Thomas, she was born in Bermuda. Its possible they married there.
Regards Les

tried fmp, family search plus goggled bermuda bmd but no luck sorry

There seems to be very little online about Bermuda genealogy - no BMDs as such.

There's this info from the Bermuda National Library:

Indexes & Certificates of Births, Marriages, Deaths

All births, marriages and deaths in Bermuda should
have been registered with the local registrar.
Information about Bermuda’s Registry General can be
found at: http://www.registrygeneral.gov.bm/.
Members of the public may search the Birth, Marriage
and Death records at the Public Search Facility,
located on the 1st floor of the Government
Administration Building, Hamilton, on payment of an
hourly fee.
Queries can be emailed to:
[email protected]—Births, deaths
[email protected]—Marriages
Alternately, please contact the staff at :
The Registry General
1st floor, Government Administration Building
30 Parliament Street, Hamilton HM 12, Bermuda

For help with Bermuda research
questions contact:
Local Studies Librarian
Available: 8:30 a.m.-4:00 p.m. Monday to Friday
Call for appointment to avoid disappointment
Tel. (441) 296-1297 ext. 223
Fax. (441) 292-8443
e-mail: [email protected]


Their up-to-date website:

http://www.bnl.bm/

There's a forum where some queries have received replies - might be worth a try:

http://www.bnl.bm/2011/08/29/bermuda-history-genealogy/

Many thanks