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on james death 1922 didnt show birth which would of helped he was 40 when died and buried in shankill graveyard but on the records doesnt show his half brother john being buried in 1932 in shankill graveyard but said it in paper. I did see a martin grave in same grave yard but elizabeth was buried in city cementry but these are the three i cant find birth records or marriage so my Armstrong tree stops here thats why i was looking for edward to see if his records showed anything regarding his dad but after 1932 ambleside st cant find where he went or if had children.

Looking at one of the marriages suggested by AG - James Armstrong and Eliza Martin.
The image shows it was by Licence at Ballysillan (next door to Ligoneil )in the Parish of Shankhill, in the County of Antrim at the Presbyterian Church. Both were of full age. Witnesses - Rebecca Martin and Robert Wilson.

???? was James born pre marriage of his Mother and she then married James Armstrong who may (or may not) have been the Father??

JAMES MARTIN
Date of Birth 1882
Group Registration ID 9411450
SR District/Reg Area Belfast
Sex N/R
Mother's Birth Surname N/R

From original -
born 29 October 1882 at Bodels Row, Legoneil <<<<<<<<
James Martin - No Father listed, Mother Eliza Martin <<<<<<<<<

(Haven't tried the same exercise with the other marriage AG suggested)

I had already mentally settled on the Martin marriage, because of the Ligoneil connection, and James's birth details seem to confirm that, GG.

Thank you for your time. From the marriage in April 1883 you think Eliza Martin is his mother? I just dont understand how I cant find his birth record which would be great help. On census it said he was born ligoneil Belfast

Greyghost has posted the birth of James Martin 1882, born at Ligoneil.

Son of Eliza Martin; no father named.
Born before her marriage.


We can't say for sure that Eliza Martin was your James's mother, or that James Martin 1882 is your James Armstrong - but it seems like a good bet.

Thank you I will look birth up in irishgeneolgy to see if has birth cert. Never thought they might not of married before birth. I did take james to marry 2nd wife 20 years after Edward was born but sarah always put on records she was armstrong and all their children were named armstromg too before marriage in 1923.

Yes, it's on irishgenealogy.
That's where Greyghost found it.

yes it seems possible although on eliza dearth burial cementry record they did start writtin arnott then cross out and put armstrong. belfast familys site census iin 1901 had eliza as isabel and the two james at shipyard so got me confused a little.

Trying to see if Edward 1904 had any children I know he was married as death notice of brother john 27.10.1932 show that there was a sister in law also he was in Army in 1946 when his mum sarah passed away. Can someone help were I can look for records as hoping may find more about ancestor searches different members. Thank you

Edward armstrong married Annie hill in the 1920s and he was a hairdresser too but after his brother John death on 26th oct 1932 which edward was in the belfast telegraph, i cant find him or if he had his own family. It would be great to get any pics or stories from anyone who remembered the Armstrongs from Weir st. Edenderry St and James st in the 1900s onwards as im at a dead end so soon with this family branch and cant go any further back.