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Edward armstrong married Annie hill in the 1920s and he was a hairdresser too but after his brother John death on 26th oct 1932 which edward was in the belfast telegraph, i cant find him or if he had his own family. It would be great to get any pics or stories from anyone who remembered the Armstrongs from Weir st. Edenderry St and James st in the 1900s onwards as im at a dead end so soon with this family branch and cant go any further back.

Trying to see if Edward 1904 had any children I know he was married as death notice of brother john 27.10.1932 show that there was a sister in law also he was in Army in 1946 when his mum sarah passed away. Can someone help were I can look for records as hoping may find more about ancestor searches different members. Thank you

yes it seems possible although on eliza dearth burial cementry record they did start writtin arnott then cross out and put armstrong. belfast familys site census iin 1901 had eliza as isabel and the two james at shipyard so got me confused a little.

Yes, it's on irishgenealogy.
That's where Greyghost found it.

Thank you I will look birth up in irishgeneolgy to see if has birth cert. Never thought they might not of married before birth. I did take james to marry 2nd wife 20 years after Edward was born but sarah always put on records she was armstrong and all their children were named armstromg too before marriage in 1923.

Greyghost has posted the birth of James Martin 1882, born at Ligoneil.

Son of Eliza Martin; no father named.
Born before her marriage.


We can't say for sure that Eliza Martin was your James's mother, or that James Martin 1882 is your James Armstrong - but it seems like a good bet.

Thank you for your time. From the marriage in April 1883 you think Eliza Martin is his mother? I just dont understand how I cant find his birth record which would be great help. On census it said he was born ligoneil Belfast

I had already mentally settled on the Martin marriage, because of the Ligoneil connection, and James's birth details seem to confirm that, GG.

Looking at one of the marriages suggested by AG - James Armstrong and Eliza Martin.
The image shows it was by Licence at Ballysillan (next door to Ligoneil )in the Parish of Shankhill, in the County of Antrim at the Presbyterian Church. Both were of full age. Witnesses - Rebecca Martin and Robert Wilson.

???? was James born pre marriage of his Mother and she then married James Armstrong who may (or may not) have been the Father??

JAMES MARTIN
Date of Birth 1882
Group Registration ID 9411450
SR District/Reg Area Belfast
Sex N/R
Mother's Birth Surname N/R

From original -
born 29 October 1882 at Bodels Row, Legoneil <<<<<<<<
James Martin - No Father listed, Mother Eliza Martin <<<<<<<<<

(Haven't tried the same exercise with the other marriage AG suggested)

on james death 1922 didnt show birth which would of helped he was 40 when died and buried in shankill graveyard but on the records doesnt show his half brother john being buried in 1932 in shankill graveyard but said it in paper. I did see a martin grave in same grave yard but elizabeth was buried in city cementry but these are the three i cant find birth records or marriage so my Armstrong tree stops here thats why i was looking for edward to see if his records showed anything regarding his dad but after 1932 ambleside st cant find where he went or if had children.

in titanic employees shows james armstrong 1912 weir st born 1881 engineer so if Eliza Martin may not be the marriage as in 1883 unless james born wrong. I have checked other one before but i know from marriage of James snr in think november 1923 to sarah his dad was James too.

My last post was at the same time as your last one, so you may not have noticed the marriage I posted, where both parties were resident at Ligoneil ??

Bride - Eliza Martin.

Just a possibility.

thank you all for helping. Micheal was 1st husband of Sarah i found she married james armstrong 1923 but used name barnes and not mcbarron. I dont know why all ages changes on census in 1901 sancroft st shows 40 for james a cementer shipyard and wifes 37 but on her death burial shows 35 which makes her 2 years younger. would orginal cementry records not have birth. I notice they wrote arnott as surname then crossed out and put armstrong on her city cementry grave record

Have you investigated this marriage ?



SR District/Reg Area - Belfast

Marriage of JAMES ARMSTRONG and ELIZA WILKINSON
on 28 August 1883

Party 1 Name JAMES ARMSTRONG
Party 2 Name ELIZA WILKINSON
Date of Event 28 August 1883
Group Registration ID 2144126
SR District/Reg Area Belfast


The bride's name is Eliza Jane Culbert, widow. Father's name: David Wilkinson, farmer.
The groom's father is William Armstrong, farmer.


Or this one (more likely because of Ligoneil connection) :

SR District/Reg Area - Belfast
Marriage of JAMES ARMSTRONG and ELIZA MARTIN
on 27 April 1883
Party 1 Name JAMES ARMSTRONG
Party 2 Name ELIZA MARTIN
Date of Event 27 April 1883
Group Registration ID 2236687
SR District/Reg Area Belfast

Fathers: James Armstrong, labourer, and Lewis Martin, blacksmith

Bride and groom both resident at Ligoneil at time of marriage. <<<<<<<<<<<<<

Name ELIZABETH ARMSTRONG
Date of Death 1903
Group Registration ID 3613429
SR District/Reg Area Belfast
Deceased Age at Death 35

From original - died 15 January 1903 at 46 Weir Street
Wife of James Armstrong a Labourer
Cause of death - Bronchitis 21 days and Diarrhoea
Registered by James Armstrong Widower

1901 census suggests she was born c1864
Age at death suggests born c1868

I don't see a likely marriage for James and Elizabeth in or near Glasgow in a feasible year.

If Elizabeth's age of 37 in 1901 is correct, she was 19 when James junior was born, so would have to have married 1880-83 - assuming they married before James's birth..

MICHAEL MCBARRON
Date of Death 1901
Group Registration ID 3639207
SR District/Reg Area Belfast
Deceased Age at Death 54

From original -
died 15 January 1901 at 21 ?Pernan street
Aged 54
An Army Pensioner
Registered by widow Sarah Ann McBarron, present at death of Same address
Cause of death - Pneumonic Phthisis for 6 months and Gangrene of Lung for 30 days

1901 census:

James Armstrong
in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1901
Name: James Armstrong
Gender: Male
Age: 40
Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation to Head: Head
Residence Date: 31 Mar 1901
Townland/Street: Sancroft Street
District: Shankhill
County: Antrim
Household Members:
Name Age
James Armstrong 40 - Cementer of boats
Elizabeth Armstrong 37 - Glasgow
James Armstrong 18

Party 1 Name MICHAEL MCBARRON
Party 2 Name SARAH ADDIS
Date of Event 13 April 1898
Group Registration ID 2342131
SR District/Reg Area Belfast
Image

From original -
Married in the Parish of St Mary's, Belfast
Michael 52 a widower Pensioner of 20 ?Pernan Street. Father ?Terrens McBArron
Sarah Ann 29 a Spinster. Mill worker of 20 ?Pernan street. Father robert Addis a Blacksmith

Married by licence. Michael signed, Sarah made her mark.
Witnesses - Mary Jane ?Scales and John ?Caivert

James's age on his death cert fits with his age on 1911 census, so presumably born c1862.

1911 census says he's Presbyterian, while the rest of the family is Church of Ireland. (Just in case that turns out to be a helpful clue to anything!)