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Glyn

Glyn Report 5 Mar 2019 09:58

I’m trying to find the parents and family of CERIDWEN DAVIES Nov 1876-10/12/1961. The records I have show she was born in Ogmore Vale Glamorgan on 16/11/1876 ( census records 1911 and 1939). In 1891 she was a servant in Bridgend according to the census, and again at the same address on 1901 census.
She married John Milton Churchill in Bridgend in 1903.
I can’t trace any parents or siblings, or at least there are a few CERIDWEN Davies in that area and I can’t work out if she’s any of them!!!
I’m asking for you’re help knowing how brilliant you are at unravelling these things
Thank you
Glyn

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 5 Mar 2019 10:39

1939 Register giving declared DOB

Churchill Household (5 People)
40 Gwyddon Road , Abercarn U.D., Monmouthshire, Wales


FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
John M Churchill 25 Jun 1863 Male Head Teacher Retired Married 53 1
Cendwen Churchill 16 Nov 1876 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 53 2
Lilla M Churchill 20 Mar 1905 Female Elementary Teacherunemployed Single 53 3
John H Churchill 20 Mar 1905 Male Labourer Foresting Commissionier Single 53 4
Emrys D Churchill 22 Feb 1919 Male Student Cardiff Collage Single 53 5

However, these are the only births 1876 +/- 2, similar sounding name variations on GRO's free search. All were registered Apr-Jun which doesn't fit with a Nov birth.

DAVIES, CERIDWEN (mmn) WILLIAMS
GRO Reference: 1875 J Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 509

DAVIES, CERIDWEN (mmn) JONES
GRO Reference: 1876 J Quarter in ABERGAVENNY Volume 11A Page 78

DAVIES, CAREDWEN (mmn) CHARLES
GRO Reference: 1876 J Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 435

Do you have a copy of her MC? Her named father & witnesses might help

Tiggit

Tiggit Report 5 Mar 2019 10:44

A possibility???

1881 census:

Caredwin Davies
England and Wales Census, 1881
Name Caredwin Davies
Event Type Census
Event Date 1881
Event Place Llanwonno, Glamorganshire, Wales
Registration District Pontypridd
Residence Note Taff Street
Gender Female
Age 5
Marital Status Single
Occupation Scholar
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated) 1876
Birthplace Ystradyfodwg, Glamorganshire, Wales
Page Number 27
Registration Number RG11
Piece/Folio 5296/102
Affiliate Record Type Household
Household

Birthplace
John Davies Head M 48 Llantrisant, Glamorganshire, Wales
Anne Davies Wife F 40 Llantrisant, Glamorganshire, Wales
David Davies Son M 17 Llantrisant, Glamorganshire, Wales
Sarah A Davies Daughter F 12 Ystradyfodwg, Glamorganshire, Wales
Elizabeth Davies Daughter F 8 Ystradyfodwg, Glamorganshire, Wales
Caredwin Davies Daughter F 5 Ystradyfodwg, Glamorganshire, Wales<<<<<<<<
John Lewis Boarder M 16 Wales
Ann Charles Visitor F 70 Vaynor, Glamorganshire, Wales



Birth reg????:

Births Mar 1877 (>99%)
DAVIES Caredwan Bridgend 11a 557

Added:
the above birth is recorded as male on the GRO records:

DAVIES, CAREDWAN Mother's maiden name THOMAS
GRO Reference: 1877 M Quarter in BRIDGEND Volume 11A Page 557

Tiggit

Tiggit Report 5 Mar 2019 11:00

Is this your Ceridwen in 1891 census?


Ceridwen Davies
England and Wales Census, 1891
Name Ceridwen Davies
Event Type Census
Event Date 1891
County Glamorganshire
Parish Ystradyfodwg
Ecclesiastical Parish ST ANDREWS
Registration District Pontypridd
Residence Note Jenkins Terrace
Gender Female
Age 15
Occupation Domestic Servant
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Birth Year (Estimated) 1876
Birthplace Glamorganshire, England
Page Number 3
Registration Number RG12
Piece/Folio 4426/ 108
Household



Birthplace
Morgan Rees Head M 54 Glamorganshire, England
Margaret Rees Wife F 52 Glamorganshire, England
Evan Rees Son M 28 Glamorganshire, England
Jno Rees Son M 26 Glamorganshire, England
Morgan Rees Son M 23 Glamorganshire, England
David Rees Son M 19 Glamorganshire, England
Rees Rees Son M 16 Glamorganshire, England
Mary Rees Daughter F 15 Glamorganshire, England
Gomer Rees Son M 13 Glamorganshire, England
Ceridwen Davies Servant F 15 Glamorganshire, England<<<<<<

If so then she is living in the parish of Ystradyfodwg in this census and the 1881 census I posted above records Caredwin's birth place as Ystradyfodwg

greyghost

greyghost Report 5 Mar 2019 11:11

Is this the lass you believe to be yours?

If so, is it coincidence that there are Davies visitors or could they be related?

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
31, High Street, Tynewydd, Llandyfodog, Bridgend, Glamorganshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
David Williams Head Widower Male 42 1859 Coal Hewer Rhondda, Glamorganshire, Wales
John J Williams Son Single Male 17 1884 Coal Hewer Ogmore Vale, Glamorganshire, Wales
Margaret A Williams Daughter Single Female 16 1885 School Teacher Ogmore Vale, Glamorganshire, Wales
Henry T Williams Son Single Male 12 1889 - Ogmore Vale, Glamorganshire, Wales
Rufus Williams Son - Male 10 1891 - Ogmore Vale, Glamorganshire, Wales
Sarah A Williams Daughter - Female 8 1893 - Ogmore Vale, Glamorganshire, Wales
Margaret Davies Mother-In-Law Widow Female 62 1839 House Keeper Domestic Maesteg, Glamorganshire, Wales
Ceredwin Davies Lodger Single Female 23 1878 Elementary Teacher Ogmore Vale, Glamorganshire, Wales
Mattie Davies Visitor Single Female 30 1871 Elementary Teacher Ogmore Vale, Glamorganshire, Wales

greyghost

greyghost Report 5 Mar 2019 11:14

Nothing more than the County of birth here. But married to a Teacher.

1911 Census For England & Wales
Council School Tregare Monmouth, Tregare, Monmouthshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Milton Churchill Head Married Male 47 1864 Head Teacher School Mon Caerleon
Ceridwen Churchill Wife Married Female 33 1878 - Glam
Mattie Churchill Daughter - Female 7 1904 - Mon Tregare
Lilla Churchill Daughter - Female 6 1905 - Mon Tregare
Bertie Churchill Son - Male 6 1905 - Mon Tregare
Iris Churchill Daughter - Female 1 1910 - Mon Tregare

Married 7 years 5 children born to marriage, 1 has died

Looking here at the name of one of her children - Mattie - that is the name of one of the visitors on the 1901 census posted above, so maybe family after all.

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 5 Mar 2019 12:21

Why not get the marriage certificate to get her father's name?


Marriages Jun 1903 (>99%)

Churchill John Milton Bridgend 11a 1266
Davies Ceridwen Bridgend 11a 1266

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 5 Mar 2019 12:41

As Margaret so rightly says - the marriage cert is your answer

malyon

malyon Report 5 Mar 2019 12:47

there are 2 births 4th quarter for Births Dec 1876 (>99%)

COSSLETT Ceridwen Pontypridd 11a 346 Scan available - click to view
JENKINS Ceridwen Bedwelty 11a 108

malyon

malyon Report 5 Mar 2019 13:56

this mary c was born in orgmore vale 1876 wonder if she used her middle name says alias c she has a daughter called ceinwen

Name: Mary C Davey
Alias: C xxx
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Event Place: Llangeinor, Ogmore Vale, Glamorganshire, Wales
County: Glamorganshire
Parish: Llangeinor
Sub-District: Ogmore

Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
George H Davey Head Male 36 Tonder, Glamorganshire
Mary C Davey Wife Female 35 Ogmore Vale, Glamorganshire
Reginald C Davey Son Male 13 Ogmore Vale, Glamorganshire
John H Davey Son Male 11 Ogmore Vale, Glamorganshire
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
George H Davey Head Male 36 Tonder, Glamorganshire
Mary C Davey Wife Female 35 Ogmore Vale, Glamorganshire
Reginald C Davey Son Male 13 Ogmore Vale, Glamorganshire
John H Davey Son Male 11 Ogmore Vale, Glamorganshire
Ceinwen E Davey Daughter Female 5 Ogmore Vale, Glamorganshire
Jessie Durrant Boarder Male 25 England, Dorsetshire
Charles Wintle Boarder Male 21 Hereford England, Herefordshire E Davey Daughter Female 5 Ogmore Vale, Glamorganshire
Jessie Durrant Boarder Male 25 England, Dorsetshire
Charles Wintle Boarder Male 21 Hereford England, Herefordshire

Maddie

Maddie Report 5 Mar 2019 14:11

from malyon 1911 census

DAVEY, REGINALD CLIFFORD PARTRIDGE
GRO Reference: 1897 S Quarter in BRIDGEND Volume 11A Page 807

DAVEY, JOHN HENRY PARTRIDGE
GRO Reference: 1900 J Quarter in BRIDGEND Volume 11A Page 837

DAVEY, CANWEN ELIZABETH PARTRIDGE
GRO Reference: 1905 D Quarter in BRIDGEND Volume 11A Page 831

DAVEY, EDITH PARTRIDGE
GRO Reference: 1906 M Quarter in CARDIFF Volume 11A Page 336

alviegal

alviegal Report 5 Mar 2019 14:15

This may be that Mary's birth.

PARTRIDGE, MARY CATHERINE WALLINGTON
GRO Reference: 1876 M Quarter in BRIDGEND Volume 11A Page 557

and her in 1881.

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census

34, Tynewydd Street, Llangeinor, Bridgend, Glamorganshire, Wales

Mary C Partridge Daughter Single Female 5 1876 Scholar Bridgend, Glamorganshire, Wales

Mary

Mary Report 5 Mar 2019 14:30

I think this is the family from 1901 where Ceridwen, Mattie born1871 and mum in law Margaret Davies are.Note Ceridwen has daughter Mattie Churchill.

Margaret and John Davies born 1826 ish has daughter Eliza/Elizabeth Jane Davies 1862 -1893? marries David Williams.1st child Martha E Williams 1881/2

1881 2 Commercial Street
Margaret Davies widow 44
Elizabeth J 19 (married David Williams)
Albert 11 (I think he is Herbert on 1871 census)
Martha 11 (Mattie on 1901 census)
Thomas 8
C Davies daughter age 4
David Williams a boarder age 19 ( married Elizabeth Jane) he is a coal miner
Henry Williams 15

1871 Margaret Davies with husband John

1911 Margaret Davies grandmother age 72 with David Williams and family + son Thomas Davies and wife Ellen.

Maryb.

greyghost

greyghost Report 5 Mar 2019 16:21

Was looking at that one Mary, but had to go out very soon after posting the 1901/1911 so no time to follow through and post.

Marriage certificate needed as others have already said.


SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 5 Mar 2019 20:07

As already posted ................

you're going to have buy the marriage certificate to get the information on her father (if he is on there). Plus the witnesses might be family members.

This is the ONLY way to be sure.

£11 from GRO

Glyn

Glyn Report 6 Mar 2019 08:24

Wow you are all amazing. Some great leads there, and as you rightly say, now I have some ideas I will get the marriage certificate to be sure.
Thanks very much

greyghost

greyghost Report 6 Mar 2019 08:31

Which of the census posted are the correct ones - you haven't answered the questions posed. If my 1901 is right, not finding her in 1891 at that address. Can you post?

Please come back to this thread Glyn when you have the certificate and post all the information from it.

Glyn

Glyn Report 7 Mar 2019 17:54

Hi everyone,
Sorry for delay in answering your questions.
So, on the 1939 census that is definitely Ceridwen. I’ve been to the house and spoken to the neighbours, so it’s correct.
The 1891 census found by Tiggit is also her. She was a servant in the Rees household.
I then had a gap in the censuses until she married John Milton Churchill, and the 1911 census is correct. She was living with her husband and family in Tregare .
Thank you Greyghost. You have found the 1901 census, and I’m sure that is correct, because John M Churchill was headmaster at Tregare f, and Ceridwen taught the infants. That would tie in with her being an elementary teacher in 1901. It’s interesting that Ceridwen calls her daughter Mattie, and her sister was Martha, known as Mattie, so that’s another link.
So yes to 1901 and 1911 censuses you found Greyghost.
I’m sure you’re on the right track too Mary with the 1871, 1881 and 1911 censuses for Margaret Davies.
It looks as though Ceridwen’s father died between 1871 and 1881, but he may well be on the marriage certificate.
Yes, I’ll send off for it, and Yes I’ll definitely post what I find.
Thank you all so much. It’s a minefield with Davies in Welsh censuses!!
But I think you’ve found the right ones, and the marriage certificate should verify it.
Great work,
Glyn

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 7 Mar 2019 18:47

If she knew her father, his name will certainly be on her marriage cert

greyghost

greyghost Report 7 Mar 2019 22:17

Ahh! - you said you had her at the same address 1891 and 1901 in your OP