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I've just gone onto Worldwide - tells me nothing new!!

No, sorry Phillip I don't have world wide and nothing is showing on familysearch.

Looking back at his reply, he is adamant that it is HIS ancestor (who was actually younger...!?). The record you have found says marital status unknown which seems to be unsurprising....

Joseph is in Canada in 1871.

Do you have access to passenger lists as Ancestry suggests there is info about this. What was he doing in Ontario???

Catherine. Thank you for all this.

I have this death for Joseph but a supposed descendent of this Joseph has argued that it is not MY Joseph.

It does seem to be one big coincidence so I think I wil revisit....

Possible for Joseph?

Joseph Barrow
India Deaths and Burials
Name Joseph Barrow
Gender Male
Burial Date 11 Apr 1886
Burial Place Bangalore, Madras, India
Death Date 10 Apr 1886
Age 39
Birth Date 1847
Marital Status Unknown
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Name: Joseph Ralph Barrow
Gender: Male
Age: 28
Birth Year: abt 1846
Marriage Date: 5 Apr 1874
Marriage Place: St Saviour, Jersey
Parish as it Appears: St Saviour
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Father: Ralph Barrow

Spouse: Mary Eustacke
Father: John Eustacke
.......................................
Name: Arthur Walter Barrow
Birth Date: 10 Jan 1875
Baptism Date: 31 Jan 1875
Baptism Place: St Peter, Jersey
Parish as it Appears: St Peter's
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Father: Joseph Barrow
Occupation:- Publican
Mother: Mary Eustache Barrow

Godparents are:- Louisa and Joseph Barrow
......................................

1881
Name: Mary Barrow
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: (B S), France
Civil Parish: St Helier
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands
Street address: 4 Pier Road
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Laundress
Registration district: Jersey
Sub registration district: B
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5611
Folio: 5
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Barrow 29
Joseph Barrow 2
...............................

1891
Name: Mary Barson
[Mary Barrow]
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: France
Civil Parish: St Helier
Ecclesiastical parish: St Helier
Town: St Heliers
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands
Registration district: Jersey
Sub registration district: A
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Piece: 4693
Folio: 117
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Barson 38
Stephen Ducyuemin 35
..................................

1901 (now noted as Widow)
Name: Mary Barrow
Age in 1901: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Gorey, Jersey, Channel Islands
Civil Parish: St Helier
Ecclesiastical parish: St Helier
Town: St Helier
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands
Registration district: Jersey
Sub-registration district: Jersey
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 17
Piece: 5311
Folio: 116
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Barrow 50
.....................................

1911
Name: Mary Barrow
Age in 1911: 59
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Portchal, France
Civil Parish: St Peter Port
County/Island: Guernsey
Country: Channel Islands
Street address: 1 Back Canichers, Guernsey
Marital status: Widowed
Years Married: 37
Occupation: Home Work
Registration district: Guernsey
Registration District Number: 636
Sub-registration district: St Peter Port
ED, institution, or vessel: 2/4
Household schedule number: 40
Piece: 34797
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Barrow 59
Phillip De Home 35
Walter Murphy 5

3 Children - 1 living and 2 died
...................................

Name: Francis Ralph Barrow
Birth Date: 9 Apr 1877
Baptism Date: 22 Apr 1877
Baptism Place: St Helier, Jersey
Parish as it Appears: St Helier
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Father: Joseph Barrow
occupation:- Blacksmith
Mother: Marie Eustache
....................

Name: Francis Ralph Barrow
Age: 3/12
Birth Year: abt 1877
Burial Date: 27 Jul 1877
Burial Place: St Helier, Jersey
Parish as it Appears: St HELIER
Cause of death:- Bronchitis

...and Samuel goes missing.............

Ada, another child, died on 18 October 1870, aged 13 years and one month.

I have a death for John Barrow, aged 15 years and three months on 13 April 1862.

Josiah died on 22 Sept 1867 aged 5 years and 7 months.

It leaves, apart from the non-finding of the death for Frances but also the death of Joseph, who was baptised on 2 February 1846. He shows up in Canada in the 1871 census, marries Marie Eustache on 5 April 1874 only to "abandon" his family according to a school register for son Arthur.

1881
Name: Louisa Waterfield
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: James Waterfield
Gender: Female
Where born: St Eclices, Jersey, Channel Islands
[St Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands]
Civil Parish: Liscard
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address: Fort Liscard Barracks
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Dressmaker
Registration district: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3590
Folio: 7
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
James Waterfield 29 born: Leicestershire, England Bombardier Royal Artillery (Soldier)
Louisa Waterfield 26
James T. Waterfield 3 born: Alderney, Channel Islands
......................................

1891
Name: Louisa Waterfield
Gender: Female
Age: 35
Relationship: Wife
Birth Year: 1856
Spouse: James Waterfield
Child: James Thos Waterfield
Birth Place: Jersey, Channel Islands
Civil Parish: Bootle
Residence Place: Bootle, Bootle, Lancashire, England
Sub registration district: Walton
ED, Institution or Vessel: 29
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2975
Folio: 65
Household Members:
Name Age
James Waterfield 38 Railway Porter
Louisa Waterfield 35
James Thos Waterfield 12
.............................

Name: Louisa Waterfield
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Registration Year: 1892
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 36
Registration district: West Derby
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Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 292
.........
Name: Louisa Waterfield
Age: 36
Birth Year: abt 1856
Burial Date: 27 Jul 1892
Burial Place: Bootle, St Mary, Lancashire, England

is this another child

Name: Josiah George Lewis Barrow
Birth Date: 15 Sep 1862
Baptism Date: 19 Oct 1862
Baptism Place: St Helier, Jersey
Parish as it Appears: St Helier
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Father: Ralph Barrow
Mother: Bridget Barrow

Josiah George Lewis
Last name Barrow
Birth year 1862
Birth date 15 Sep 1862
Baptism year 1862
Baptism date 19 Oct 1862
Place St Helier
Island Jersey
Country Channel Islands
Father's first name(s) Ralph
Mother's first name(s) Bridget
Mother's last name Carpenter

unsourced trees on ancestry says he died in 1867 st helier

Ralph
Last name Barrow
Sex Male
Service number 786
Rank Sergeant
Unit or regiment 15th Hussars
Year 1841
Remarks -
Location Bangalore -----------------
Country India
The National Archive reference WO 12/1213
Record set British Army, Worldwide Index 1841
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & Service Records
Collections from Great Britain, UK None

British Army, Worldwide Index 1851
First name(s) Ralph
Last name Barrow
Year 1851
Service number 986/3 DN GDS 359
Rank Troop Sergeant Major
Regiment or unit 15th (The King's) Regiment Of (Light) Dragoons
Name as transcribed Ralph
Period 01/01/1851-31/03/1851
Location Bangalore, India
The National Archives reference WO 12/1120
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & Service Records
Collections from Great Britain, UK None

?????? your guess ............

Depends If it's him

Travelling to join him?

Opportunity to go home to Ireland for a period?

EDIT - have FMP just set on Britain, the record shows under the Military heading

A great find!

I don't have access to the Worldwide subscription

And the rest of the family??

Am finding this a bit of a coincidence - 2 Ralph Barrows, both Provost Sergeants. Unfortunately transcript only, no original

All other records in that period on FMP are for your Ralph and they all show his Discharge date as 1854/5, unfit for further service (failing thought and activity brought about by climate abroad). There is a note on his service records that his pension was increased for 24 years service as Provost Sgt. Jersey. Also says Bd. of 22.11.'81 or '87 No. 26. Perhaps well regarded and a job he could do even if unfit for further active service, releasing a fitter man for action.

He certainly motored, having initially joined the 2nd Dragoons in 1831 and transferred still as a Private 1.4.1839 to the 15 Kings Hussars he was promoted to Corporal a week later and to Sergeant the following year !!

Could he have been on temporary attachment with a different regiment for a period?? In which case, a Service No. may have had to be assigned for pay purposes? Maybe the National Archives WO records would answer.

1871 census date 2nd April

British Army, Worldwide Index 1871

First name(s) Ralph
Last name Barrow
Service number 833
Rank Provost Sergeant
Unit or Regiment 2nd Bn 15th (York, East Riding) Regiment of Foot
HQ location Aldershot
Year 1871
Country Great Britain
National Archives reference WO 12/3314
Period 01/04/1871-30/06/1871
Record set British Army, Worldwide Index 1871

1851
Name: Bridget Carpenter
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1824
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Liverpool
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County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Howard Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 1l
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 63
Piece: 2178
Folio: 372
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Quinn 27
Elizabeth Quinn 27
Mary Ann Quinn 7 Wids
Ann Quinn 45
John Flynn 40
Bridget McKeon 19
James Millang 28
Bridget Carpenter 27

That's them - note Patrick Smith.

Part of me thinks that they are here in 1871 under some very bad mistranscription...

1881 ????
Name: Bridget Barroll
[Bridget Barrow]
Age: 56
Estimated birth year: abt 1825
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Routh Barroll
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: St Helier
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands
Street address: "Fort Regent Barracks"
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Provost Sergeants Wife
Registration district: Jersey
Sub registration district: G
ED, institution, or vessel: Fort Regent Barracks 2
Neighbors:
Piece: 5616
Folio: 75
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Routh Barroll 69
Bridget Barroll 56
Patrick Smith 43
Elizabeth Smith 33
Ralph Smith 12
Alice Smith 8
Louise Smith 5
Bertram Smith 3
Annie Smith

Name: Louisa Barrow
Gender: Female
Age: 20
Birth Year: abt 1856
Marriage Date: 18 Jul 1876
Marriage Place: St Saviour, Jersey
Parish as it Appears: St Saviour
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Father: Ralph Barrow
Spouse: James Waterfield

Two things.

They are not in the 1871 census. I'm wondering if they went to Ireland - daughter Elizabeth married Patrick Smith who hailed from Clonmel, Tipperary.

Secondly, the baptism of Walter William Barrow was provided by someone doing some work in connection with the English Wesleyan Circuit....

In the meantimes, Bridget is listed as an inmate of the local hospital - born Cork

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
St Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands

First name(s) Bridget
Last name Barrow
Relationship Inmate
Marital status Married
Sex Female
Age 35
Birth year 1826
Occupation Inmate
Birth town Cork
Birth town as transcribed CORK
Birth county Cork
Birth county as transcribed -
Birth place (other) Ireland
Birth place other as transcribed IRELAND
Street -
Parish St Helier
City or borough -
County Jersey
Country Channel Islands
Municipal ward -
Parliamentary borough -
Registration district Jersey
Enumeration district -
Archive reference RG09
Piece number 4400
Folio 52
Page 11

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
St Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands

First name(s) Margaret
Last name Fitzpatrick
Relationship -
Marital status -
Sex Female
Age 19
Birth year 1842
Occupation Domestic Servant
Birth town -
Birth town as transcribed -
Birth county -
Birth county as transcribed -
Birth place (other) Ireland
Birth place other as transcribed IRELAND
Street -
Parish St Helier
City or borough -
County Jersey
Country Channel Islands
Municipal ward -
Parliamentary borough -
Registration district Jersey
Enumeration district -
Archive reference RG09
Piece number 4400
Folio 73
Page 4

FMP has the census transcribed differently to Ancestry - each person separately - but the original shows him together with Eliza, A. John, Louisa and Ada

Whilst on the same page, Margaret Fitzpatrick is not listed with the Barrow's. She is listed as aged 19 and from Ireland, nothing more specific. The name may or may not be coincidental

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
St Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands

First name(s) Ralph
Last name Barrow
Relationship Father
Marital status Married
Sex Male
Age 49
Birth year 1812
Occupation ...Provost Serjt (GARRISON PROVOST SGT)
Birth town Bolton
Birth town as transcribed BOLTON
Birth county Lancashire
Birth county as transcribed LANCASHIRE
Birth place (other) England
Birth place other as transcribed -
Street -
Parish St Helier
City or borough -
County Jersey
Country Channel Islands
Municipal ward -
Parliamentary borough -
Registration district Jersey
Enumeration district -
Archive reference RG09
Piece number 4400
Folio 73
Page 4
Family member last name Oneill, Riley, Toner, Stevenson, Smith, Weston, Donnelly, Nolan, Barrow, Hallam, Lowder, Carey, Hammond, Danger
Family member first name(s) Charles, James, Michael, John, William, F, Edward, Timothy, Ralph, Thomas, J, Patrick, George