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John Guthrie married Mary Ann Stewart 1915

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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 4 Aug 2019 14:08

Ancestry suggests this is Elspeth's marriage - although subsequent censuses show her YOB as 1856:

GUTHRIE
ELSPETH
VANNET
ROBERT
1878
282/4 44
St Andrew (Dundee)


Elspeth Vannet
in the 1881 Scotland Census
Name: Elspeth Vannet
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : Robert Vannet
Gender: Female
Where born: Rexobbie, Forfarshire
Registration Number: 307/1
Registration district: Mains
Civil Parish: Mains
County: Angus
Address: Parkhead
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 109
Line: 12
Roll: cssct1881_94
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Vannet 24
Elspeth Vannet 25
William Vannet 2
James Vannet 1


Elspeth Vannet
in the 1891 Scotland Census
Name: Elspeth Vannet
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : Robert Vannet
Gender: Female
Where born: Rescobie, Forfarshire
Registration Number: 319
Registration district: St Vigeans
Civil Parish: St Vigeans
County: Angus
Address: Parkconon (5)
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 30
Line: 10
Roll: CSSCT1891_105
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Vannet 34
Elspeth Vannet 35
William Vannet 12
James S Vannet 11
Jane S Vannet 7
Robert Vannet 5
Alexander Vannet 2
Mary G Vannet 3 Mo

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 4 Aug 2019 14:13

if that was his mum this death would tie with her being deceased when john married


Elspeth Guthrie /vannet
1856–1911
Birth ABT 1856 • Rescobbie, Forfarshire, Scotland.
Death 20/11/1911 • Dundee, Angus, Scotland.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 4 Aug 2019 14:14

Possibly Elspeth's death (but don't know if Elspeth who married Vannet is "our" Elspeth or not - would need to see the marriage cert for parents' names)

VANNET
ELSPETH
53
1911
282/2 689
St Mary


And death of a probable daughter - though I don't see the birth so far:

VANNET
ELSPETH
83
mms GUTHRIE
1976
370/ 26
Sidlaw

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 4 Aug 2019 14:17

Robert Vannet
in the UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919
Name: Robert Vannet
Birth Place: Carmyllie, Forfarshire
Death Date: 27 Jul 1918
Death Place: France and Flanders
Enlistment Place: Fettercairn
Rank: Corporal
Regiment: Gordon Highlanders
Battalion: 5th Battalion
Regimental Number: 242250
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre


EDIT:

No - too young.
That's this man:


Corporal VANNET, ROBERT
Service Number 242250
Died 27/07/1918
Aged 26
1st/5th Bn.
Gordon Highlanders
Son of William Vannet, of Lawton Cottage, Arbroath.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 4 Aug 2019 14:23

The son Alexander (and his sister Jane) :

Alexander Vannet
in the British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920
Name: Alexander Vannet
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1888
Enlistment Age: 26
Document Year: 1914
Residence Place: 46 Watson St, Dundee
Regiment Name: Royal Artillery (Royal Horse Artillery and Royal Field Artillery)
Number of Images: 15
Form Title: Short Service Attestation
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
Alexander Vannet Self (Head)
Jane Vannet Sister

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 4 Aug 2019 14:33

1911 - No other Vannets living with him.

VANNET
ALEXANDER
1911
M
22
271/ 2/ 10
Arbirlot
Angus





Elspeth Pannet
in the 1901 Scotland Census
Name: Elspeth Pannet
Age: 46
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : Robert Pannet
Gender: Female
Where born: Rescobie, Forfarshire
Registration Number: 307/2
Registration district: Strathmartine
Civil Parish: Strathmartine
County: Angus
Address: Strathmartine Old Baldragon
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 124
Line: 25
Roll: CSSCT1901_110
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Pannet 44
Elspeth Pannet 46
Jane I Pannet 17
Robert Pannet 15
Alexr Pannet 12
Elspeth Pannet 8
Barbara Pannet 4



1911-

VANNET
BARBARA
1911
F
14
307/ 4/L 8
Mains and Strathmartine
Angus


VANNET
JANE S
1911
F
26
307/ 4/L 8
Mains and Strathmartine
Angus


VANNET
ELSPETH
1911
18
307/ 4/L 8
Mains and Strathmartine
Angus


VANNET
ELSPETH
1911
F
55
307/ 4/L 8
Mains and Strathmartine
Angus


VANNET
ROBERT
1911
M
54
307/ 4/L 8
Mains and Strathmartine
Angus

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 4 Aug 2019 14:35

Robert's death:

VANNET
ROBERT
54
1913
307/ 22
Mains and Strathmartine

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 4 Aug 2019 14:44

i suspect a bit of face saving going on

Mary wilson born c1808 married John Guthrie c1847

their daugher elspeth was born c1856

suspect she is john Guthrie mum as his baptism only shows her name ,no father

would explain why he was living with his gran mary on census

Ellen

Ellen Report 11 Aug 2019 03:07

Thank you everyone for your help sorry for the delay have been away for a few days :-)