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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Aug 2019 11:33

It appears that William came back to Scotland.

The tree on Ancestry thinks the 1917 marriage is the right one, and says this is his wife's death:

MCROBERT
JANET MCFADYEN
68
1963
644/4 1549
Springburn


And William's death:

MCROBERT
WILLIAM
74
1968
645/1 592
Glasgow

I can't see any record of William's wife Janet ever having gone to Canada.

There are a number of Glasgow ER records of a William McRobert with wife Janet.

For example:
Mrs. Janet McRobert
in the Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, Electoral Registers, 1857-1962
Name: Mrs. Janet McRobert [and William McRobert ]
Gender: Female
Residence Year: 1928
Residence Place: Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Parliamentary Division: Glasgow

36 Rhymer Street, Springburn, Glasgow

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Aug 2019 11:16

Sister Janet's marriage:

Janet McRobert
in the British Columbia, Canada, Marriage Index, 1872-1935
Name: Janet McRobert
Gender: Female
Spouse Name: Robert Blackburn
Spouse Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 23 Apr 1924
Marriage Location: Vancouver
Registration Number: 1924-09-270687
BCA Number: B13747
GSU Number: 2074317

and her death:

Janet Blackburn
in the Canada, Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current
Name: Janet Blackburn
Maiden Name: McRobert
Birth Date: 17 Aug 1900
Birth Place: Scotland
Death Date: 1 Mar 1957
Death Place: Nanaimo, Nanaimo Regional District, British Columbia, Canada
Cemetery: Nanaimo Municipal Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Nanaimo, Nanaimo Regional District, British Columbia, Canada
Has Bio?: Y

Bio:
Immigrated ~ 1920.
Married Robert Blackburn.
Parents are Charles McRobert, born Scotland and Ellen McAlpine, born Scotland.
British Columbia Death Reg. No. 1957-09-003232.


A tree on Ancestry has a nice photo of Robert and Janet Blackburn at a picnic with some other people.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Aug 2019 11:13

I don't see William after 1920.

[ EDIT: Yes I do - this is the correct William below - see further down this post ]

There's a William McRobert from Glasgow going to Nanaimo, BC, in 1924, on the same ship as Charles and family went in 1920, but he has a wife Janet still in Glasgow - and he seems to be slightly younger.
Wife's address: 296 (something? Cumberland ?) Street, Glasgow.
William going to his cousin, Andrew Thomson, Box 527, Namaimo.
Object in coming to Canada: Settling.

William McRobert
in the Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924
Name: William McRobert
Gender: Male
Estimated birth year: abt 1898
Birth Place: Glasgow, Scotland
Age: 26
Date of Arrival: Jun 1924
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland
Ship Name: Sicilian

William McRobert
in the U.S., Border Crossings from Canada to U.S., 1895-1960
Name: William McRobert
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: Scottish (Scotish)
Age: 27
Record Type: Manifests
Birth Date: abt 1894
Birth Country: Scotland
Arrival Date: Feb 1921
Port of Arrival: Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Ship Name: Canadian Pacific Railroad
Residence Country: Canada
Line Number: 22

I'm guessing this is his marriage:

MCROBERT
WILLIAM
ANDERSON
JANET
1917
644/9 22
Milton

If so, he's not Charles's son, as Charles's son is single in 1920, per the travel record. (But maybe the 1920 record is wrong.)

On the 1921 border crossing record above, there's some sort of note about the ship "Cedric", and Namaimo BC, and New York, added just above William's details, which I can't make out.

That may relate to this record - which gives YOB as c1894:

William McRobert
in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: William McRobert
Arrival Age: 27
Birth Date: abt 1894
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 15 Feb 1921
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Cedric
Shipping Line: White Star
Official Number: 115354

Shop assistant.
Country of last permanent residence: Canada.


EDIT:

Yes, that's the correct William above.

When the McRobert family went to Canada in 1920, they were going to Andrew Thomson:

Details on the 1920 arrival record for Charles's daughter Janet.:

Janet McRobert
in the Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924
Name: Janet McRobert
Gender: Female
Estimated birth year: abt 1901
Birth Place: Glasgow, Scotland
Age: 19
Date of Arrival: Jun 1920
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Ship Name: Sicilian

Going to cousin Andrew Thomson, Box 527, Namaimo, BC.
Nearest relative in home country: brother James McRobert, 171 Waddell Street, Glasgow.


So the 1920 record seems to be wrong in saying that William was single.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 8 Aug 2019 10:20

(apologies AG, I should have took notice of that 1920 Passengers posted earlier, I now see William went also!)

Chris :)

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Aug 2019 09:32

That William T who died in 1952, isn't Charles's son. He was born c1889:

MCROBERT
WILLIAM THOMAS
63
1952
571/2 3
Newton Mearns

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 8 Aug 2019 06:54

https://www.findagraveinscotland.com/search/free_submit/

(looks like that James and Margaret on above, you need to become a Member to view)

Chris :)

Edits (notes there is a William T. 1952, wondered if he was that one in the 1901 (age 6) Census, Father Charles?)

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 7 Aug 2019 21:25

Birth and death of James's son Walter:

Birth:
MCROBERT
WALTER MCLEOD
M
1925
644/15 191
Hutchesontown


Death:
MCROBERT
WALTER MCLEOD
59
mms MCLEOD
1984
619/ 589
Glasgow, Park Circus



Birth and death of son Robert:

Birth:
MCROBERT
ROBERT GRAY MCL
M
1932
644/17 630
Gorbals


Death:
MCROBERT
ROBERT GRAY MCL
84
mms MCLEOD
2017
643/ 135
Renfrew

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 7 Aug 2019 14:04

This Glasgow death would fit with his year of birth:

MCROBERT
JAMES
64
1957
644/9 291
Tradeston

Spending 6 credits to view the record on SP would let you know if it's him or not - it would give spouse's name, if any.



James, Margaret McL, and Robert McRobert all at 214 Thistle Street in 1955:

James McRobert
in the Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, Electoral Registers, 1857-1962
Name: James McRobert
Residence Year: 1955
Address: 4178 [ 214 Thistle Street on image ]
Residence Place: Glasgow, Lanarkshire , Scotland
Parliamentary Division: Glasgow


And all still there in 1957:

Margaret M'l McRobert
in the Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, Electoral Registers, 1857-1962
Name: Margaret M'l McRobert
Residence Year: 1957
Address: 3823 [ 214 Thistle Street on image ]
Residence Place: Glasgow, Lanarkshire , Scotland
Parliamentary Division: Glasgow

In 1958 Margaret's there on her own, so it looks like that 1957 death is the right one for James:

Margaret M'l McRobert
in the Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, Electoral Registers, 1857-1962
Name: Margaret M'l McRobert
Residence Year: 1958
Address: 3710 [214 Thistle Street on image ]
Residence Place: Glasgow, Lanarkshire , Scotland
Parliamentary Division: Glasgow

Sylann

Sylann Report 7 Aug 2019 10:23

Thank you for that
yes I've seen the tree on ancestry I'll have a good look into this now the address for George coming over and staying at thistle st matches with his sons address

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 6 Aug 2019 21:22

This would be his marriage, if the tree has the correct name for his wife:

MCROBERT
JAMES
MCLEOD
MARGARET FINLAY
1916
644/15 245
Hutchesontown


And Margaret's death:

MCROBERT
MARGARET FINDLA(y)
83
mms FINDLAY
1977
601/ 518
Glasgow, Martha St


But if they married in 1916, where is Margaret in 1919, when she's apparently not with James at 171 Waddell Street?

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 6 Aug 2019 20:50

Charles Mcrobert
in the 1901 Scotland Census
Name: Charles Mcrobert
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Helen M Mcrobert
Gender: Male
Where born: trieggles, Kirkcudbrightshire
Registration Number: 644/11
Registration district: Hutchesontown
Civil Parish: Glasgow Govan
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 143 Rose St
Occupation: Railway Canvasser
ED: 14
Household schedule number: 148
Line: 11
Roll: CSSCT1901_308
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Mcrobert 32
Helen M Mcrobert 30
James Mcrobert 8
William Mcrobert 6
Helen Mcrobert 3
Annie Hendreson 23
David Bell 22

A tree on Ancestry says James was born 13 Oct 1892, Glasgow.

However, it says he died in Glasgow, and presumably didn't go to Canada.


Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, Electoral Registers, 1857-1962
Name
James McRobert
Residence Year
1931
Address
214 Thistle Street South
Residence Place
Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Parliamentary Division
Glasgow
Household Members
NameJames McRobert

With Mrs Margaret McRobert.

He's also there in 1950, with Mrs Margret McL, and Walter McRobert.

1919, at 171 Waddell Street, Gorbals.
1925 & 1926, 171 Waddell Street, with Mrs Margaret McRobert.
1929 and later, at 214 Thistle Street South, with Margaret.


However -
It says he died 27 Oct 1950, but doesn't offer proof.
I think this is the death they mean - and the age doesn't fit, not to mention spelling:

MCROBERTS
JAMES
82
1950
644/10 286
Milton



So, if James went to Canada, it must have been after 1930.
EDIT:
No, he didn't emigrate - see later posts.

Sylann

Sylann Report 6 Aug 2019 19:31

Yes he did have a son James not sure when he emigrated but he died in Canada 1950
I only have what has been put on here and that wasn't put on

greyghost

greyghost Report 6 Aug 2019 19:14

The Ocean Arrivals document you refer to -

View Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924

Name: Charles McRobert
Gender: Male
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Birth Place: Dumfriesshire Scotland
Age: 52
Date of Arrival: 19 1920
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Ship Name: Sicilian

do you have the details from the original image? Amongst other things it says his nearest relative in country from where he came is
-
James McRobert Son of 171 Waddell Street, Glasgow


MargaretM

MargaretM Report 6 Aug 2019 19:10

Looking again at the original of that 1921 census. Nellie's middle name could very well be McAlpine. The handwriting is very poor.

greyghost

greyghost Report 6 Aug 2019 19:05

View UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Add Alternative Information
Report issue
Name: Charles Mcrobert
Gender: Male
Age: 63
Birth Date: abt 1868
His return after the 1930 visit to Glasgow. shown as a "Teamster"

Departure Date: 3 Apr 1931
Port of Departure: Greenock, Scotland
Destination Port: St John, New Brunswick, Canada
Ship Name: Montrose
Search Ship Database: Search for the Montrose in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Canadian Pacific
Official Number: 145919
Master: J F Dott
Save

greyghost

greyghost Report 6 Aug 2019 19:01

Nelly would be a "pet" name for Ellen, same as with the daughter.

Sylann

Sylann Report 6 Aug 2019 18:49

That census matches other than Nelly Adolphus her name was Ellen Muir McRobert nee McAlpine, they had a daughter Ellen (Nellie) McRobert born 1898?

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 6 Aug 2019 18:41

Charles McRobert

in the 1921 Census of Canada
View 1921 Census of Canada

Name: Charles McRobert
Gender: Male
Marital status: Married
Age: 51
Birth Year: abt 1870
Birth Place: Scotland
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's name: Nelly Adolphus McRobert
Father Birth Place: Scotland
Mother Birth Place: Scotland
Year of Immigration: 1920
Racial or Tribal Origin: Scotch (Scotish)
Province or Territory: British Columbia
District: Nanaimo
District Number: 19
Sub-District: New Castle
Sub-District Number: 35
City, Town or Village: Nanaimo BC
Street or Township: 805 Wentworth
Municipality: Nanaimo
Occupation: Labourer
Income: 300
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles McRobert 51
Nelly Adolphus McRobert 49
Jeanette McRobert 21
Charles McRobert 18

Sylann

Sylann Report 6 Aug 2019 18:37

Sorry that 1920 out going is the one I got on ancestry BUT with not having worldwide I couldn't access it so I thought they were travelling separately

Thank you That's cleared that up

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 6 Aug 2019 18:34

? Ellen 1870 — 1920 Passenger Lists Leaving Uk 1890-1960 Quebec, Canada

(as above FMP)

Chris :)