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Thank you one and all for your help it is very much appreciated. I think I finally have them sorted :-)

Thanks I am going to take a good look at these again and try to put them into some sense of order :-)

Can see image for that Catherine on Ancestry...(Workhouse, Widow, age 53, Buried May 18th)

Leeds, England, Beckett Street Cemetery

Chris :)

(also in above, Margaret Richardson 1877, Wife, Stipendiary Street, 37yrs, Buried 18th November)

That is the death I found. I have also found a Joseph with Margaret Ann buried together on FMP so going to have a good look at that one.

I couldn't see a marriage to Joseph so you're probably right that they didn't marry.

I take it this is the death you found?

Deaths Jun 1909 (>99%)
RICHARDSON Catherine 53 Leeds 9b 253

The age isn't too far out. The informant might not have had accurate information.

I am almost positive now that Catherine did not marry Joseph Richardson but they lived together and had Granma and her 2 brothers Peter and Harry.

It's not as it ranges from 1833 to 1837. He was baptised in 1837 Dad Peter a shoemaker and mum Louisa Maw. He was also married before he married Catherine and there is another enigma. His wife Margaret was possibly still alive listed on a census as Lunatic, bigamy I wonder as she died after him I believe more homework needed on this one :-D

Just for ref as I wanted to see if Joseph's age was consistent

Record Transcription:
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Bull & Bell Yard, Commercial Street, Leeds, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England


Joseph Richardson Head Married Male 58 1833 Shoe Maker Derbyshire, England
Catharine Richardson Wife Married Female 36 1855 - Yorkshire, England
Peter Richardson Son - Male 2 1889 - Yorkshire, England
Harry Terrey Stepson - Male 5 1886 Scholar Yorkshire, England

That is possibly her Rose as I had not seen that one. I am also trying to find her death but again the one I have found in Leeds DOB does not tie in . It states a widow so I have now to try and find the death of Joseph Richardson in Leeds to see if they tie in

First name(s) Matthew
Last name Bickerdike
Age Full Age
Residence Thirsk
Marriage year 1847
Marriage date 10 Jul 1847
Marriage place Kirby Wiske
Spouse's first name(s) Hannah
Spouse's last name Horner
Spouse's age Full Age
Spouse's residence Kirby Wiske
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Bickerdike
Spouse's father's first name(s) William
Spouse's father's last name Horner
County Yorkshire (North Riding)
Country England
Archive North Yorkshire County Record Office
Archive reference PR/KRW 1/9
Page 27
Record set Yorkshire Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

If the one born 1853 possibly this one in 1871??

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Mount Villas Springfield Mount, Leeds, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England


Joseph Burras Head - Male 71 1800 - Yorkshire, England
James Burras Son - Male 43 1828 - Yorkshire, England
Hannah Burras Daughter - Female 35 1836 - Yorkshire, England
Mary J Burras Daughter - Female 33 1838 - Yorkshire, England
James Binns - - Male 54 1817 - Yorkshire, England
Alice Varley Servant - Female 34 1837 - Yorkshire, England
Catherine Bickerdike Servant - Female 17 1854 - Yorkshire, England <<<<<

Reading back Henry Terry was married to Mary Ann Creed before Catherine. She is mother to the boys Benjamin and Joshua and died in 1874 so he did not waste time remarrying

ah so the Catherine born 1849 died

death BICKERDIKE, CATHERINE 0
GRO Reference: 1849 D Quarter in THIRSK UNION Volume 24 Page 401

and 1853 birth

BICKERDIKE, CATHARINE mmn HORNER
GRO Reference: 1853 J Quarter in THIRSK Volume 09D Page 333

The Catherine of Matthew and Hannah was bapt 1853


Record set Yorkshire, Bishop's Transcripts Of Baptisms
First name(s) Catherine
Last name Bickerdike
Baptism year 1853
Birth year -
County Yorkshire (North Riding)
Country England
Baptism place Thirsk
Mother's first name(s) Hannah
Father's first name(s) Matthew
Baptism date 17 Jul 1853
Event type Baptisms, marriages & burials
Source year range 1600-1864
Archive Borthwick Institute for Archives
Page 165
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain

I have just come on to say I have her on 1901 stating DOB as 1853 and that is definitely her as daughter Annie was my Grandmother

There is below (no MMN given on GRO index)...

Chris :)

Yorkshire Birth indexes for the years: 1889

TERRY Peter Richardson Hunslet Leeds HUNS/139/93

http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk/index.php


1901 (Find My Past)
Joseph Richardson Head Married Male 68 1833 Shoemaker Derby, Derbyshire, England
Catherine Richardson Wife Married Female 48 1853 Charwoman Thirsk, Yorkshire, England
Harry Richardson Son Single Male 15 1886 Newsagent Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Peter Richardson Son Single Male 12 1889 - Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Annie Richardson Daughter Single Female 8 1893 - Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Bull & Bell Yard, 8, Briggate, Leeds, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

1871 children not with them ( same occ for matthew)

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Campbell Street, Wortley, Bramley, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Matthew Bickerdyke Head - Male 46 1825 - Yorkshire, England
Ann Bickerdyke Wife - Female 33 1838 - Yorkshire, England


Daughter Hannah was a servant

The youngest child Hannah and later siblings all with mmn Horner

BICKERDIKE, HANNAH HORNER
GRO Reference: 1855 S Quarter in HUNSLET Volume 09B Page 203
BICKERDIKE, JANE ELIZABETH HORNER
GRO Reference: 1857 S Quarter in THIRSK Volume 09D Page 332


NB Not sure if this one is same family

BICKERDIKE, MARY ANN HORNER
GRO Reference: 1857 J Quarter in HUNSLET Volume 09B Page 222

IF it's the Catherine Bickerdike bn 1849 she had siblings Ellen 1848 and William

This may be Ellen in 1851 but Catherine not with

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Union Bank Yard, Market Place, Thirsk, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England

Hannah Bickerdike Wife Married Female 25 1826 Agricultural Labourer's Wife Kirby Wiske, Yorkshire, England
Ellen Bickerdike Daughter Unmarried Female 2 1849 Scholar Kirby Wiske, Yorkshire, England

However she is there in 1861 with siblings

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
89, Geldard Road, Wortley, Hunslet, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England


Matthew Bickerdike Head Married Male 36 1825 ...Engine Driver Thirsk, Yorkshire, England
Ellen Bickerdike Daughter - Female 12 1849 Scholar Yorkshire, England
William Bickerdike Son - Male 9 1852 Scholar Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Cathr Bickerdike Daughter - Female 7 1854 Scholar Thirsk, Yorkshire, England
Han Bickerdike Daughter - Female 5 1856 Scholar Leeds, Yorkshire, England