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Is anyone able to trace the following family in the 1881 England census?

Parents:
George Henry Lambourne WHEELER b1839 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann LILES c1846 Lambeth, Surrey
Married 3 Aug 1867 St Stephens Church, Paddington, London

Sons:
George Lambourn WHEELER b1867 (baptised 3 May 1868 Holy Trinity, Paddington)
Thomas Henry Lambourn WHEELER b 4 Sep 1869 Paddington, London (baptised 30 Jan 1870 St James Paddington)

I have them in the 1871 census at 62 Lancaster Gate, Paddington
Father's occupation: Porter

I am unable to trace any of them after the 1871 census, except for the marriage of Thomas Henry Lambourn WHEELER (labourer) on 4 Sep 1892 St Mary's, Paddington to Gertrude Amelia JONES. By 1901 census, Gertrude Amelia JONES is living with George SPITTLE and has taken his surname (SPITTLE). Gertrude and George do not actually marry until 1911 despite already having 5 children from 1899 to 1907 (all of which I hold the birth cert). Looks as if the marriage between Thomas Henry Lambourn WHEELER and Gertrude Amelia JONES did not last long.

In any event, I am trying to trace information on the WHEELER's after 1871.

Many thanks,
Rebecca Williams

Where have you looked?

Maybe George, was born a bit later and not in Cheltenham?

First name(s) George Lamborn
Last name Wheeler
Birth year -
Baptism year 1843
Baptism date 29 Jan 1843
Residence Derry Hill
Place Derry Hill
County Wiltshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) David
Father's last name Wheeler
Father's occupation Tailor
Mother's first name(s) Jane
Record type Bishop's Transcripts
Record set Wiltshire Baptisms Index 1530-1917
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain
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Just passing through at moment!, but adding below, in case of anything...

Chris :)

Wiltshire Birth indexes for the years: 1839

WHEELER George L WORKMAN Corsham History Centre COR/1/352

http://www.wiltshirebmd.org.uk/index.php


Birth
WHEELER, GEORGE LAMBOURNE WORKMAN
GRO Reference: 1839 D Quarter in CHIPPENHAM Volume 08 Page 277


(Father, David Wheeler on 1867 Marriage image)

Who was Mary Ann Liles father please? Just trying to work back to work forward.

Just for my ref i assume this is the family you are looking at in 1871, do all the facts tally? for eg there is no Mary Liles that I can see bn Lambeth? ( I may be missing it of course).


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Lancaster Gate, Paddington, Kensington, London & Middlesex, England


George Wheeler Head - Male 31 1840 - Gloucestershire, England
Mary Wheeler Wife - Female 25 1846 - Surrey, England
George Wheeler Son - Male 3 1868 - Middlesex, England
Thomas Wheeler Son - Male 1 1870 - Middlesex, England
Sarah Brown Visitor - Female 14 1857 - Middlesex, England

1881 ?????????????
3, Union Street, St Marylebone, Marylebone, London & Middlesex, England
George Wheeler Head Married Male 40 1841 Painter Corsham, Wiltshire, England
Mary Wheeler Wife Married Female 36 1845 - Oxfordshire, England
George H Wheeler Son Single Male 15 1866 Errand Boy Paddington, Middlesex, England

Rose, she named her father as Sibley Liles, a store fitter I think on the marriage. Her address was 72 Withbourne?? Park Villas

Not seeing a Sibley Liles either :-S

Name: Mary Ann Liles
Gender: Female
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 3 Aug 1867
Marriage Place: St Stephen, Paddington, Westminster, England
Father: Sibley Liles -???? fitter
Spouse: George Lambourn Wheeler
Register Type: Parish Register

Name: George Lambourn Wheeler
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 3 Aug 1867
Marriage Place: St Stephen, Paddington, Westminster, England
Father: David Wheeler
Spouse: Mary Ann Liles
Register Type: Parish Register

Unfortunately the 1861 for what i think is likely to be the entry for 72 Westbourne> Park Villas Paddington is just a fragment, several other pages on same road are torn

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record/browse?id=gbc%2f1861%2f0001%2f00001a

no one with Liles name at that address in 1851 or 71 census

Name: David Wheeler
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 9 Jul 1819
Baptism Date: 8 Aug 1819
Baptism Place: Calne, Wiltshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Calne
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Father: David Wheeler
Mother: Rebecca Wheeler

in the 1861 England Census
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Name: David Wheeler
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: 1819
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Jane Wheeler
Gender: Male
Where born: Calne, Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Corsham
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Chippenham
Sub-registration district: Corsham
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 195
Piece: 1282
Folio: 35
Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
David Wheeler 42
Jane Wheeler 42
Henry Wheeler 16
Mary Wheeler 14
Eliza Wheeler 12
Emma Wheeler 6

1851
Cornwell Buildings, Walcot Saint Swithins, Bath, Somerset, England
David Wheeler Head Married Male 33 1818 Tailor Calne, Wiltshire, England
Jane Wheeler Wife To Head Married Female 34 1817 Tailor's Wife Corsham, Wiltshire, England
George Wheeler Son Unmarried Male 12 1839 Tailor Corsham, Wiltshire, England
Anne Wheeler Daughter Unmarried Female 9 1842 At Home Studley, Wiltshire, England
Fanny Wheeler Daughter Unmarried Female 7 1844 At Home Wiltshire, England
Mary Wheeler Daughter Unmarried Female 5 1846 At Home Bath, Somerset, England
Eliza Wheeler Daughter Unmarried Female 3 1848 At Home Bath, Somerset, England
Infant - Son - Male 0 1851 At Home

GEORGE HAD 2 SIBLINGS
Wheeler Sarah Ann 1841 — 1841 England & Wales Births 1837-2006 Calne, Wiltshire, England
.
Wheeler Fanny 1843 — 1843 England & Wales Births 1837-2006 Chippenham, Wiltshire, England
.
Wheeler George Lambourne 1839 — 1839 England & Wales Births 1837-2006 Chippenham, Wiltshire, England

Hasn't been any other 'Threads' relating, have there? I have a 'Tick' (FMP) for below...

Chris :)

Wheeler George 1841 — 1861 1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Royal Navy At Sea and in Ports Abroad, Ships and Overseas Establishments
(Born, Corsham, Wilts.)

(would be below)

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7879065

(Name Wheeler, George Place of Birth: Corsham, Wiltshire Continuous Service...
Date of Birth: 23 December 1840)


(was seeing that 1881 above, posted by Maddie, and does look like an 'H' against son George)

What was address on 1870 Baptism?, is it on Ancestry?...(FMP, no image though)

(Leinster Street for 1868 one)


1892 Thomas Marriage looks more like Lambert Wheeler...(Father George, occ. Tailor, Deceased) on Banns also. Abode, 19 Cuthbert Street.

1868 George Wheeler Baptism, also more like Lambert.

Chris :)

Edits

?...

Marriage
10 Apr 1842 Christ Church, Southwark
George Sibley (Widower)
Mary Liles (Spinster)

There's no image for the 1870 baptism on Ancestry , nor on FS:


Thomas Henry Wheeler
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Thomas Henry Wheeler
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 4 Sep 1869
Baptism Date: 30 Jan 1870
Baptism Place: Saint James, Paddington, London, England
Father: George Lambourn Wheeler
Mother: Mary Ann
FHL Film Number: 579297

Odd that the GRO lists the maiden name as Tibley:

WHEELER, THOMAS HENRY TIBLEY
GRO Reference: 1869 D Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 57

Rose

When was Death of Father George?...(says Deceased on 1892 Marriage, Thomas)

Chris :)

(different occupations for him, Cheesemonger, Marriage, Porter, Census, Porter, George Baptism, Tailor, Thomas 1892 Marriage)

(Lambourn, Lambert)

Dear All,

Thanks so much for all your findings. Sorry for the delay in answering, I got called away yesterday. I will try to answer you all below:

ErikH
Where have you looked? - On Ancestry.co.uk, FMP, TheGenealogist, and FS - searchimg the usual census, BMD info etc.

Rambling
Birth 1843 - yes this looks like him, perhaps he was just baptised 4 years after he was born - does happen. Thanks.
That is the correct 1871 census - Mary Ann LILES father is stated to be Sibley LILES on her marriage cert - Sibley LILES occupation is listed as, I think, Stone Fitter (could be Stove Fitter). I'm also not finding any birth for Mary Ann LILES and I can't trace a Sibley LILES either. Her abode in 1867 at time of her marriage is 72 Westbourne Park Villas, Paddington
1861 census - yes that's about my luck... torn pages... it can be tough tracing some ancestors! I'm not tracing 1851 or 1871 for 72 Westbourne Park Villas either.

Chris Ho
Yes the birth reg for George Lambourne WHEELER 1839 matches my findings. Thanks.
Not sure if that Royal Navy find is the right George WHEELER. Date of birth would be out by one year, okay not major and not unusual, but seems off. However it could be the reason I'm not finding him in census material... Corsham as birth place is 8.2 miles from Derry Hill (baptism 1843) and 10.3 miles from Calne (1841 census). Do you still think it's a possibility it's him in the navy?
1870 baptism for Thomas Henry Lambourn WHEELER - no image - church was St James, Paddington.
Yes 1868 baptism looks like Lambert spelling, however I believe it should be Lambourn(e). I believe David WHEELER's (c1819) parents are David WHEELER c1780 and Rebecca LAMBORN c1779 (that's the origin of the name).
That marriage in 1842 finding for George SIBLEY and Mary LILES is certainly intriguing. I will investigate further. See if there are any baptisms for the children of this marriage that might lead to Mary Ann LILES (or should surname be SIBLEY....) c1846 Lambeth.
Death father George b1839 - I am unable to trace a death for him. Yes, many occupations given for him during the years. Earliest mention of name LAMBORN comes from his paternal grandmother Rebecca LAMBORN c1779 Calne, Wiltshire.

Maddie
1881 census find - birth place for mother Mary does not match 1871 census of Lambeth, but you never know. Father George had so many different occupations, it could be them, but not an absolute certainty. I will keep this in mind. Thanks.
Yes, your marriage info for George Lambourne WHEELER and Mary Ann LILES is correct, father's David WHEELER (tailor) and Sibley LILES (stone/stove? fitter).
Yes, baptism David WHEELER 1819, and your 1851 and 1861 census finds match my finds. I believe David's wife was Jane TYLER married Q2 1838 Cheltenham District.
Agree with the siblings for George - Sarah Ann & Fanny - thanks.

Flip
Thanks. I deciphered Mary Ann LILES address at time of marriage as 72 Westbourne Park Villas, Paddington. Her father was indeed listed as Sibley LILES, stone/stove fitter.

ArgyllGran
Thanks, yes that's the 1870 baptism record.

Rose
Where do you find TIBLEY on that 1869 Q4 Kensington record? I only see the mention of Thomas Henry WHEELER, not Tibley. I'm thinking Tibley could be an incorrect spelling for Sibley which is Mary Ann LILE's father's christian name according to her marriage cert date 1867. Coincidence?

Thanks again to everyone who is helping here. I hope I have not forgotten to answer anyone's posts.

What is everyone's view of Maddie's 1881 census find? Is it or isn't it the family I'm looking for??? Corsham to Derry Hill (baptism George and 1841 census) is 8.2 miles. Wife Mary is listed as being born in Lambeth in 1871 census.
1881
3, Union Street, St Marylebone, Marylebone, London & Middlesex, England
George Wheeler Head Married Male 40 1841 Painter Corsham, Wiltshire, England
Mary Wheeler Wife Married Female 36 1845 - Oxfordshire, England
George H Wheeler Son Single Male 15 1866 Errand Boy Paddington, Middlesex, England

..............................

Thomas Henry Lambourn WHEELER b 4 Sep1869 married Gertrude Amelia JONES on 4 Sep 1892 at St Marys Church, Paddington. His occupation is stated as tailor. I am not able to trace him after 1892. Gertrude (my paternal great grandmother) went on to forge a relationship with George SPITTLE with whom she had 5 children between 1899 and 1907. She finally married George SPITTLE on 26 Jan 1911 at the registry office in Fulham.

What happened to Thomas Henry Lambourn WHEELER? I don't find him in census material, emigration or any other marriages after 1892. So strange. I'm not able to find his family either after the 1871 census. Unless that 1881 census find from Maddie is them.

Rebecca -
you queried the name Tibley on Thomas Henry's 1869 birth record.

Rose got that on the GRO site, which gives mother's maiden name - ie - Tibley.

FreeBMD and other sites don't give mms.


So that ought to mean that Mary Ann was born Tibley and had married a Liles before marrying George Wheeler.
Alternatively she might have been born Tibley and then her mother married a Liles.

However, I don't see any such marriage.
Nor a Wheeler/Tibley marriage.


?? Wild suggestion - haven't checked this out yet [ NO, it's not her ]

TAPLEY, MARY ANN mms NOTTLE
GRO Reference: 1847 M Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 04 Page 348

I don't see this birth on Ancestry, although it's on FreeBMD and GRO.

EDIT
:
No, a tree on Ancestry says this Mary married Francis Yerbury.
Parents marriage:
Marriages Jun 1844 (>99%)
NOTTLE Sophia Newington 4 352
TAPLEY Thomas Newington 4 352